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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sun Sep 03, 2023 3:12 am

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How on earth would those crazy bigots be able to check that a woman travelling though their areas are a) pregnant (particularly before it shows) and b) heading interstate for an abortion. Surely various laws would prevent authorities stopping cars and demanding pregnancy tests there and then...

It's a 'vigilante' law--enforcement falls on alert citizens to make the accusation and bring suit in state court. It appears intended more to create a chilling effect rather than produce legitimate lawsuits--frightening people into forgoing travel out of state to get the medical care they seek. The article mentions that no suits have yet been brought under these laws.

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Post by JimC » Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:04 am

But would those "alert citizens" be able to stop a car travelling along a highway?
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Re: Meanwhile, Texas

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:48 am


L'Emmerdeur wrote:Texas joining the 'stop 'em from travelling' scheme.

'Highways are the next antiabortion target. One Texas town is resisting.'
More than a year after Roe v. Wade was overturned, many conservatives have grown frustrated by the number of people able to circumvent antiabortion laws — with some advocates grasping for even stricter measures they hope will fully eradicate abortion nationwide.

That frustration is driving a new strategy in heavily conservative cities and counties across Texas. Designed by the architects of the state’s “heartbeat” ban that took effect months before Roe fell, ordinances like the one proposed in Llano — where some 80 percent of voters in the county backed President Donald Trump in 2020 — make it illegal to transport anyone to get an abortion on roads within the city or county limits. The laws allow any private citizen to sue a person or organization they suspect of violating the ordinance.

Antiabortion advocates behind the measure are targeting regions along interstates and in areas with airports, with the goal of blocking off the main arteries out of Texas and keeping pregnant women hemmed within the confines of their antiabortion state. These provisions have already passed in two counties and two cities, creating legal risk for those traveling on major highways including Interstate 20 and Route 84, which head toward New Mexico, where abortion remains legal and new clinics have opened to accommodate Texas women. Several more jurisdictions are expected to vote on the measure in the coming weeks.

“This really is building a wall to stop abortion trafficking,” said Mark Lee Dickson, the antiabortion activist behind the effort.

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[E]ven in the most conservative corners of Texas, efforts to crack down on abortion travel are meeting some resistance — with some local officials, even those deeply supportive of Texas’s strict abortion laws, expressing concern that the “trafficking” efforts go too far and could harm their communities.

The pushback reflects a new point of tension in the post-Roe debate among antiabortion advocates over how aggressively to restrict the procedure, with some Republicans in other states fearing a backlash from voters who support abortion rights. In small-town Texas, the concerns are more practical than political.
Any idea about the legal position on states effectively closing their borders to a particular demographic?
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Post by Svartalf » Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:23 pm

probably illegal in a country where free circulation of everything is one of the bases of the ideology.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:55 pm

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:46 pm

JimC wrote:
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But would those "alert citizens" be able to stop a car travelling along a highway?
In general I think that if these local laws were actually to be put into use, it would be as an add-on to the existing state-wide abortion vigilante law. The righteous vigilante can bring suit in state court, accusing the health care provider (state law) and accusing anybody who helped her travel out of state (local laws). The incentive is $10,000 in 'damages' and legal costs paid to the accuser in the case of the the state law, and likely a similar reward for the local anti-assistance laws. A real on-the-ball zealot might take it upon themselves to apprehend the perpetrators en route but I don't think that's the intended means of enforcement; the vigilante could be accused of false imprisonment.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:55 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Any idea about the legal position on states effectively closing their borders to a particular demographic?
Pretty unequivocally unconstitutional, but it depends on which court is dealing with the case. Trumpist judges have already made some extremely dubious judgements. For instance Kacsmaryk in Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine vs USDA.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:35 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
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Brian Peacock wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:48 am
Any idea about the legal position on states effectively closing their borders to a particular demographic?
Pretty unequivocally unconstitutional, but it depends on which court is dealing with the case. Trumpist judges have already made some extremely dubious judgements. For instance Kacsmaryk in Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine vs USDA.
Thought as much. So any such ordinance would be unworkable. It's mostly performative, with the intension to deter by frightening women and those who support them.
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Post by Tero » Sun Sep 03, 2023 8:20 pm

There is no real way to enforce such plans. The laws banning such activity would fail. Texas has no authority to block any activity outside its borders. So it can only end up ass harassment.
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Tero wrote:
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ass harassment.
Indeed.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:46 am

Speaking of stupid and venal, these unscrupulous asshats want to compel other states to help them with their moronic vendetta against the people they've got it in for (trans folks and those seeking abortion).

'Texas conservatives test how far they can extend abortion and gender-transition restrictions beyond state lines'
In the months since Texas outlawed abortion and prohibited adolescents from receiving gender-transition care, women have flooded abortion clinics in nearby states and parents with transgender children have moved to places where puberty blockers and hormone therapy remain legal.

So now, Texas conservatives are testing the limits of their power beyond state lines.

Some cities and counties have passed so-called travel bans aimed at stopping Texans from driving to abortion appointments in other states. Meanwhile, Attorney General Ken Paxton has demanded medical records from at least two out-of-state clinics that provide gender-affirming care to minors.

“This request from the Texas Attorney General is a clear attempt to intimidate providers of gender-affirming care and parents and families seeking that care outside of Texas and other states with bans,” Dr. Izzy Lowell, a Georgia physician who received one such demand letter, said in a statement.

These recent efforts to restrict or scrutinize what Texans do out-of-state raise an important question: Just how far does Texas’ authority over its residents extend?

The question of extraterritoriality — when and whether a state can impose its laws beyond its borders — is largely unresolved, legal experts say. It just hasn’t come before the courts that often. And while the right to travel is well-established in the U.S. Constitution, the local travel bans are enforced through private lawsuits, a legal loophole the U.S. Supreme Court has so far allowed to stand.

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Post by JimC » Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:47 am

The conservative right often attacks the liberal left for wanting to control the actions of individuals, and yet, deep down, their own urge to control anything they disapprove of is very, very clear...
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Imagine how outraged Cunt would be about this attack on freedom.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sat Jun 08, 2024 3:42 pm

These fellows know how to make America great again...

'Texas professors sue to fail students who seek abortions'
A pair of Texas professors figured out that their female students have sex and, boy, they do not like it. So now the philosophy professor and finance professor are suing for the right to punish their students who, outside of class, have abortions.

"Pregnancy is not a disease, and elective abortions are not 'health care,'" University of Texas at Austin professor Daniel Bonevac sneers in a federal court filing with professor John Hatfield. Instead, Bonevac writes, because pregnancy is the result of "voluntary and consensual sexual intercourse," students should not be allowed time off to get abortions. If the students disobey and miss class for abortion care, the filing continues, the professors should be allowed to flunk students. Additionally, Bonevac asserts that he has a right to refuse to employ a teaching assistant who has had an abortion, calling such women "criminals."

The sexual hang-ups of abortion opponents are rarely far from the surface, but even by those low standards, the unjustified male grievance on display in this new Texas lawsuit is a doozy. At issue are federal regulations, called Title IX, first signed into law by President Richard Nixon in 1972. They currently bar publicly funded schools from discriminating on the basis of sex or gender. This means that schools cannot penalize students for health care based on sex. As a male student would be granted leave if he had to travel for surgery, so must a female student, the federal statute requires. The two men argue that granting students an excused absence in such cases violates their First Amendment rights.

Even though the plaintiffs suing for the right to flunk female students for abortion include boilerplate arguments in which they feign concern that abortion is "killing," the legal filing makes it clear that what really outrages Bonevac and Hatfield is that Title IX prevents them from controlling the private lives of students. Along with their anger about abortion, they grouse about not being allowed to punish students "for being homosexual or transgender." They also argue they should be able to penalize teaching assistants for "cross-dressing," by which they appear to mean allowing trans women to wear skirts.

As Jessica Valenti at Abortion, Every Day wrote, the language of the legal complaint is "downright petulant." The picture painted is of two men obsessed with controlling student lives based on what they're packing inside their underwear. It should be common sense that college students should be graded on their performance in class, not whether or not their professor resents their sex life or sexual identity. Alas, because the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and Texas banned abortion, it's created a pretext for every busybody who wants to spend less time grading papers and more time working himself into an angry froth over the imagined sexual exploits of his students.

Even though Bonevac and Hatfield work in Austin, Texas, they filed their lawsuit 486 miles away in Amarillo, Texas. The reason for this is not mysterious: Donald Trump-appointed judge Matthew Kacsmaryk. The right-wing judge has a long and frankly unhinged history of screeching at top volume about the evils of "sexual revolutionaries." (Yes, that does sound like a compliment, but he doesn't mean it as such.) It takes very little to draw Kacsmaryk's sexualized condemnation. Premarital sex, for instance, makes one a "sexual revolutionary." Using contraception within marriage also makes one an irredeemable pervert. In his legal writings, Kacsmaryk is very clear that sex is only for procreation within marriage, and anything outside of that should draw legal sanction. He has not weighed in on whether there should be restrictions on what sexual positions are legally permissible within the procreation-only marital sex, but give him time.

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