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Re: Political Attacks on Trump Supporters

Post by Seabass » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:08 pm

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No, I'm not upset about Nazis getting punched. I'm upset about innocent non-Nazis being attacked and assaulted because some dickweed thinks he gets to determine who is a legitimate target for political violence by the arbitrary, ridiculous, "Progressive" idea of who constitutes a "Nazi" (i.e. any person with a political persuasion to the right of the Che Guevara t-shirt wearing love child of Mao and Marx).

And I do oppose the sending of pipe bombs by anyone.

The problem with fucking idiot, douchebag leftists is that they think some people are actually proper targets of such attacks. That's a huge difference. You don't find mainstream people defending "punch a Commie" or saying that harassing 15 year old kids who wear red hats is a great thing, or chasing Congresspeople out of hamburger restaurants is valid - coming from the left, you get celebrities and even Congresspeople who say that such behavior is appropriate.
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And no one defends punching commies because there are no commies to punch. You are a ridiculous joke of a man.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:08 am

There's good Nazi's on both sides. :tea:
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Post by JimC » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:28 am

42, accepting that some on the extreme left get carried away, and append the term "Nazi" far too broadly, what about the very clear-cut examples that occur in white supremacist marches, giving their Nazi salutes and telling Jews that their time is coming? A punch-up with them doesn't sound too unethical to me...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:02 am

No Jim. To be fair and balanced you must sit down with Nazis, white supremacists, and other hateful bigots and discuss their point of view calmly and rationally in order to better understand it, preferably over tea and crumpets.

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Re: Political Attacks on Trump Supporters

Post by Animavore » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:22 am

In the old days our parents or grandparents fought and killed Nazis*. Now these millennial snowflakes want to give them hugs and sing Kumbaya.

It's political correctness gone mad.

*Except those whose parents were Nazis. Lol.
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Post by rainbow » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:35 am

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No Jim. To be fair and balanced you must sit down with Nazis, white supremacists, and other hateful bigots and discuss their point of view calmly and rationally in order to better understand it, preferably over tea and crumpets.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:37 am

The tango is very good apparently.
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Post by Animavore » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:21 am

I love the implicit suggestion in the right's defence of Nazis against the left that Nazis are their people. Their side.
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Post by rainbow » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:27 am

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The tango is very good apparently.
...a Nuremberg reference, I assume. Some Nazis did the twist, I believe. :ddpan:
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Re: Political Attacks on Trump Supporters

Post by Forty Two » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:53 am

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Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:52 pm
No, I'm not upset about Nazis getting punched. I'm upset about innocent non-Nazis being attacked and assaulted because some dickweed thinks he gets to determine who is a legitimate target for political violence by the arbitrary, ridiculous, "Progressive" idea of who constitutes a "Nazi" (i.e. any person with a political persuasion to the right of the Che Guevara t-shirt wearing love child of Mao and Marx).

And I do oppose the sending of pipe bombs by anyone.

The problem with fucking idiot, douchebag leftists is that they think some people are actually proper targets of such attacks. That's a huge difference. You don't find mainstream people defending "punch a Commie" or saying that harassing 15 year old kids who wear red hats is a great thing, or chasing Congresspeople out of hamburger restaurants is valid - coming from the left, you get celebrities and even Congresspeople who say that such behavior is appropriate.
You can't be fucking serious.



And no one defends punching commies because there are no commies to punch. You are a ridiculous joke of a man.
Dude - you're ridiculous. There are as many actual Commies as there are actual Nazis - that's the whole fucking point. There aren't many of either. But for you to say there aren't any commies - you must live with your head buried in the sand. You are a blinkered, fatuous, fool.

And, your videos don't show "calls for violence." Things like calling for self-defense. When he says "when you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of him..." it's a call to retaliate against someone else who is imminently going to throw something. He says "the audience swung back..." Swinging back means the other person is swinging. I know leftists think they 're the only ones who should be doing the swinging, setting fires, assaulting, battering, and disrupting, but if they show up and start trouble, people should "swing back."

Your second video actually gets it half-way -- it's about when disrupting leftists show up at Trump rallies, and they incite by pushing, screaming, getting in people's faces and assaulting members of the crowd. Trump's "lament" is that nobody fights back anymore. Yes, indeed. Punch them in the face, if they come at you - fight back. I agree. If I wore a MAGA hat, and someone comes up pushing me and calling me a Nazi, I would think it's fine to fight back.

"...surrounded, taunted, and attacked"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxoL8tHSa7g/youtube] bottles thrown at them... chased, attacked... "hunting down.." - pelting with eggs - sucker punching -- breaking taillights...
The left thinks it's allowed to do this.


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Re: Political Attacks on Trump Supporters

Post by Forty Two » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:57 am

Animavore wrote:
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I love the implicit suggestion in the right's defence of Nazis against the left that Nazis are their people. Their side.
LOL, as if someone defends "Nazis."
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Re: Political Attacks on Trump Supporters

Post by Forty Two » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:05 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:02 am
No Jim. To be fair and balanced you must sit down with Nazis, white supremacists, and other hateful bigots and discuss their point of view calmly and rationally in order to better understand it, preferably over tea and crumpets.

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Dude, nobody says you have to "sit down" with anyone and calmly discuss anything with them.

The problem is that people who aren't Nazis get labeled that, because that's the strategy of the left -- demonize their opposition - you call a Trump supporter a "Nazi" - then you get to punch and beat him, and smash his car - he's a Nazi after all. You don't peacefully protest Nazis, you should kill them, but failing that, at least beat them.

And, if you think the progressive left is going to win the battle of violence - think again. Remember, this isn't a one-way street. If some blue haired "Trump is not my President" trans-fluid tough guy starts beating Trump supporters under the rubric that they are "Nazis" then you're going to get, eventually, some who aren't going to take that shit lying down. Who do you think will win these street fights?

That's the problem here - is that you don't get to sit unmolested, blithely declaring who is a Nazi and who isn't - and throw the needed punches, set the needed fires, and smash the needed taillights. Once you do that, you are a violent thug, and people get to defend themselves and others against you.

And, if you get to declare this or that conservative to be "Nazis" and then punch them, then they will start to likewise declare your side another form of persona non grata - communist, socialist, anarchist - all quite punchable. Oh, you don't think there are any real communists? Well, who gave you the sole right to determine who are punchable Nazis, but others don't have the same right to declare folks to be punchable communists?

Are you going to rely on the police to be Progressive and side with your good guys?
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Post by rainbow » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:10 am

Forty Two wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:57 am
Animavore wrote:
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I love the implicit suggestion in the right's defence of Nazis against the left that Nazis are their people. Their side.
LOL, as if someone defends "Nazis."
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:33 am

There is no defense of Nazis there. The ad - that video itself says - was not allowed on the air because of its Nazi imagery from 1939 - because the network said the imagery was bad, not good.
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Re: Political Attacks on Trump Supporters

Post by Seabass » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:34 am

Forty Two wrote:
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you must live with your head buried in the sand.
You're projecting, just like your hero Trump often does.

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Among this report’s key findings:

Every year adherents of a variety of extreme causes kill people in the United States; ADL’s COE tracks these murders.
In 2018, domestic extremists killed at least 50 people in the U.S., a sharp increase from the 37 extremist-related murders documented in 2017, though still lower than the totals for 2015 (70) and 2016 (72). The 50 deaths make 2018 the fourth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970.
The extremist-related murders in 2018 were overwhelmingly linked to right-wing extremists. Every one of the perpetrators had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently switched to supporting Islamist extremism. White supremacists were responsible for the great majority of the killings, which is typically the case.
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