Her majesty’s official opposition implode

[Forty Two]

It's an example, pErvin. All broad economic policy decisions have measurable results and effects, and arguably "kill people" as was alleged. I gave socialism as an alternative economic policy to "austerity", which would also "kill people."

Another example on a smaller scale would be gun laws. Taking away guns will surely save some people, but it will kill some other people. Usually, it boils down to an analysis of which policy is thought to kill the least number of people.

Arguably, the austerity policies were necessary for the overall health and recovery of the British economy, and that bullet needed to be bitten for long term good. That may mean that some people took it on the chin, while others benefited.

[Strontium Dog]

Yeah, one shudders to think how many more sick and disabled people would have died after the government declared them fit for work if not for the steadying hand of the plucky Liberal Democrats my arse.

But what about the SCANDAL of hundreds of people who are actually in work dying EVERY DAY? Can normal people be trusted to declare themselves fit for work when so many of them are dying?

[rainbow]

Oh and Rum, your comment about having no concern about the lives of individuals? You do know that Tory austerity policies and benefit cuts are literally killing people, don't you?

....in the sense that broad policy and economic decisions have effects. If we were to make everything socialist, that would "kill people" too, in exactly the same way.

What does socialism have to do with anything? And no, Corbyn won't be introducing socialism to the UK. His policies are social democracy.

Corbyn won't be introducing anything.

[Scot Dutchy]

Maybe a brown paper bag. Why not? It is as good as anything he has.

[Clinton Huxley]

Another Labour MP gone, saying the party has been taken over by the hard left. Disintegration.

[Scot Dutchy]

Yep. Momentum have lost and so has Corbyn. The trouble with the Labour party was it could never make its mind up. Too many shop stewards.

[Brian Peacock]

The party has made it's mind up - it's just that what it decided is at odds with the leadership.

[Scot Dutchy]

A great decision making process. Did somebody forget to the kettle on.

[Brian Peacock]

It is a great decision making process, because it reflects the will of the membership - noting that the Labour Party is the biggest political organisation in Western Europe. And you have to remember that Corbyn got the hot seat because a large number of people decided that playing the "We're the nicer, milder versioin of the Tory party" card wasn't working or needed any more.

I'm not a member of the Labour Party and have no political affiliation with them btw, but I think the focusing on the leadership is a Tory game than plays into Tory hands because it deliberately puts aside the influence ordinary members have over party structure, policy, and aims etc and casts political discourse as a straight emotional race between personalities - policies get trashed in the process. I don't have to think anything in particular about Corbyn in order to evaluate the parties policies. Nor do I worry about the Labour Party being a hotbed of far-left agitators who's ultimate aim is to collectivise your granny.

[Rum]

The party has become more democratic from all accounts and it has shifted to the left - and its membership has grown. However, as it has done all that it has increasingly alienated the public/mainstream opinion in my view and made itself unelectable, which is slightly paradoxical I admit.

[Hermit]

The party has become more democratic from all accounts and it has shifted to the left - and its membership has grown. However, as it has done all that it has increasingly alienated the public/mainstream opinion in my view and made itself unelectable, which is slightly paradoxical I admit.

In the May 2015 elections the Labour Party lost 26 seats despite a 1.4% swing of the popular vote in its favour. Its leader, Ed Miliband, resigned. The following September Jeremy Corbyn was elected as the new leader amid cries by so called moderates and the reactionary media that the Labour Party is bound to become unelectable on account of his rabid leftism. The Prime Minister, Theresa May, called a snap election for April 2017. The Labour Party enjoyed a 9.6% swing in its favour and May was forced into forming a minority government. This has not stopped the so called moderates and the reactionary media from continuing to cry that the Labour Party is unelectable on account of its left shift under Jeremy Corbyn. I guess they are yearning for a return of a Tony Blair style neoliberal Toryism light. Strange allies.

[Rum]

It is still a fact however. Barring some unforeseen development, like a complete disintegration of the Conservatives, they ain’t gonna get voted in.

[Clinton Huxley]

Failed to win an election against literally the most incompetent Tory administration ever.

[Scot Dutchy]

"The biggest political organisation in Western Europe" id of course is very debatable. Define organisation? Corbyn is a useless cunt. The tories have never ever looked so bloody shambolic if they tried and the cunt cant even make an impression into their lead.
The tory party can completely disintegrate but Corbyn can do fuck all about it. He will still be having a shop steward's meeting about it.

[Rum]

The largest membership is what that refers to. I’ve no idea how it works in other European countries.

Personally I think Corbyn is admirable. He’s a conviction politician and sincere to the core. Unfortunately the British public won’t tag along with many of those convictions.