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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:39 am

Imagine being a modern politician and only having 30 mil?
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:44 am

Tero wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:18 pm
I think Manchin is kind of an empty suit. Like Trump and even to some extent Biden, he does not fully support things that he is made out to support in public. So he wants to step out of "democrat" on some issues and object as his conservative part. His "entitlements" is one. Not having any idea what these mean in practice to families he just pulls out a standard conservative view. He has NO solutions to any of these. But to him, to more they leave out the better.

Trump was easier to read. There was only one side to every issue. Does this make Trump look weak? If it does, we will never do it.
That's interesting and would be an awful reason. The thing is this has been put forward many times and never gotten through. What gives? I'd like to see a summary of the analysis used to decide this would hurt businesses.

Are US workers really that shit?

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Democracy!
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:47 pm

Democrats plan bill whose purpose is to raise taxes!
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:31 pm

data on the impacts of paid family leave on employers are hard to come by, so nobody has known for sure if employers really do suffer and, if so, to what extent.
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the United States is the only high-income country without a policy at the federal level.
...data not hard to come by then, yes? :fp:

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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:45 am

Swing voters
This century, blue-collar swing voters helped elect Barack Obama twice, Donald Trump once and Joe Biden in 2020. They have also played a deciding role in congressional and state elections, including in Virginia last week.

In the current polarized political atmosphere, many college graduates follow politics obsessively — almost as if it were a sport — and identify with one of the two parties. Many working-class voters, on the other hand, vote for both parties and sit out some elections.

Figuring out what moves these swing voters is a crucial question in American politics. It has become an urgent question for the Democratic Party, which is struggling to win working-class votes in many places, including some Asian and Latino communities.

This morning, a creative new poll exploring these issues is being released. It asks working-class respondents — defined as people without a bachelor’s degree — to choose between two hypothetical candidates. The candidates are described both personally (their gender, race and job category) and politically (including a sound bite in which they talk about their views).

A central conclusion is that infrequent voters are not a huge Democratic constituency just waiting to be inspired by a sufficiently progressive economic message. “That’s just a fantasy,” Bhaskar Sunkara, the founding editor of Jacobin, a socialist magazine and one of the poll’s sponsors, told me, “and it’s a fantasy we ourselves have engaged in.” (In fairness, numerous other people — including Trump and, well, me — have believed that same misplaced idea.)

The poll instead finds that working-class swing voters hold a swirl of progressive and conservative views. “To mobilize these voters will take a lot of grass-roots organizing efforts, particularly more labor-union-centered organizing,” Sunkara said. “There is no simple programmatic solution” — for either party.

Below, I walk through themes from the poll, focusing on those respondents who said they did not lean toward either party. About 33 percent of them voted for Trump last year and 22 percent voted for Biden, with the remaining voting for a third party or not voting.

YouGov, a large nonpartisan pollster, conducted the poll, in collaboration with Jacobin and the Center for Working-Class Politics, a new progressive group.
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The second best-performing sound bite was one that pollsters internally referred to as “Republican.” It warned that “freedom is under threat from radical socialists, arrogant liberals and dangerous foreign influences.”

Yet the most successful sound bite was the “progressive populist” one. It was as pugnacious as the Republican entry, albeit with different targets:

This country belongs to all of us, not just the superrich. But for years, politicians in Washington have turned their backs on people who work for a living. We need tough leaders who won’t give in to the millionaires and the lobbyists, but will fight for good jobs, good wages, and guaranteed health care for every single American.

Populism has its limits
Working-class swing voters tend to favor generous versions of Medicare, Social Security and other universal government benefits, polls consistently show. But they also responded positively in this poll to candidates promising vaguely to “cut government spending.”

And while Democratic-leaning working-class voters liked a “Medicare for all” message, swing working-class voters preferred candidates who instead promise to “increase access to affordable health care.”

Americans are mostly progressive on economics, but Democrats can still run too far left on these issues.

You can read the full poll results here. (If you do, note that the beginning of the report focuses on a Democratic-leaning group of working-class voters — who are relevant to primary elections — rather than the swing voters who have been my focus.)
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:55 am

I wandered into Youtube. Make what you will of it.

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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:28 am

Harris is a shill for Capital. I know that's a broad ad hom, but his once refreshing brand of independent journalism has now morphed into mostly reading the press releases of corporations and think-tanks for cash.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:10 am

Yeah but the Dems are a corporate party. It's not surprising they don't implement progressive policies.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:12 pm

Republicans know exactly the crappy state of our transportation problems, but will still talk to voters about taxes only.
Like a constant tax
The United States economy suffers from a problem that you can think of as investment-deficit disorder. For several decades, we have spent heavily on short-term consumption while ignoring many of a modern economy’s long-term needs.

As a result, other affluent countries now have better high-speed internet access and less expensive cellphone service. They have clean drinking water. They have trains that whisk people between major cities at 200 miles an hour. They do not have major airports that are disconnected from the local subway system.

The relatively decrepit state of American infrastructure acts like a tax on our economy and a drag on our well-being. It slows the movement of people and goods and reduces the quality of everyday life.

Fixing these problems is the rationale for the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill that the House passed last weekend and that President Biden will sign soon. “This is a blue-collar blueprint to rebuild America,” Biden said on Saturday. “It puts us on a path to win the economic competition of the 21st century that we face with China and other large countries and the rest of the world.”

Even if Biden’s remarks included some hyperbole, many experts and economists consider the bill to be genuinely important.

In each of the next five years, the federal government will now spend the equivalent of about 1 percent of G.D.P. on roads, bridges, rail, public transit, water systems, broadband, power systems and more. It is the largest such investment in more than a generation. It will raise federal infrastructure spending to its highest share of G.D.P. since the early 1980s.

“Can this bill make the country more inclusive, environmentally resilient and industrially competitive?” Adie Tomer of Brookings Institution wrote. “If you step back and view it in total, the unquestionable answer is yes.”
(I am not sure that the bill will do as much as the White House hopes to influence people’s attitudes toward government.)
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by JimC » Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:12 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
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Yeah but the Dems are a corporate party. It's not surprising they don't implement progressive policies.
They are a political blend, with strong ties to the corporate world for sure, but also an outspoken progressive wing, which makes, unsurprisingly, for internal tensions...
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:54 pm

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Senate races in 2022. It will be a tough job to convert any of the pink states blue. The light blue, AZ and Georgia are senators voted in 2022 and now running for full 6 years.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:12 pm

Radical/Trump republicanism cannot be held back. It has to run its course 2022 and 2024. Then what?

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The evidence of a party that has embraced self-radicalization is dismaying former Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who, many years ago, was considered something of a conservative firebrand himself as a young GOP congressman.
"It's completely crazy," Kasich said on CNN's "The Situation Room," bemoaning his party's failure to rein in Gosar. "The Republicans are lucky the people aren't following this thing carefully. If they did, their ability to take over the House, in my opinion, would be in question. People don't support this kind of nonsense; they don't."

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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

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Just the man we want. DeSantis. Any Demcrat, Pete to Sanders to Beto, will win. Even a woman would.
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