All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:55 pm

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With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:43 pm

Election's off then.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:55 pm

I guess Trump is just trying to suck the juice out of the news again - this time on the day when it was announced that US GDP shrank by 33% in Q2.
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Post by Joe » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:55 pm

If it keeps shrinking at that rate, we'll think back to the 2008 recession as the good old days.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:24 pm

Mueller Trump Cohen et al:
Still, what Trump didn't know, and what the breathless news coverage of the Cohen raid didn't recognize, was that the Southern District's investigation of Michael Cohen ... was an investigation of Michael Cohen. It was not, and never would be, an investigation of Donald Trump.
The prosecutors in New York showed the same caution and restraint that Mueller's team displayed in Washington. It's almost part of the DNA of experienced prosecutors to tread carefully beyond areas where they can identify specific criminal behavior. This was why Trump's repeated invocations of the Democratic affiliations of Mueller's staff, while understandable, missed the point. (Most of Mueller's lawyers had made campaign contributions to Democrats over the years.)

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:00 pm

Tero wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:55 pm
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With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
7:46 AM · Jul 30, 2020
L'emmy will know, but surely it would be unconstitutional to delay the election?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:04 pm

Not if the House voted for it.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:10 am

The Reps won't, so it should be impossible:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/ ... s/12510204
The US constitution is clear that the date of elections will be set by Congress.

And in 1875, Congress set the date for the election in an unequivocal federal law:

"The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election," the text reads.
No exceptions.

Joshua Douglas, an elections law expert at the University of Kentucky, says there's nothing in Trump's arsenal of powers that would let him rewrite that law.

"There is absolutely no way Trump could unilaterally change it," he said.

Not even an executive order or a state of martial law would change things in this instance. Legal scholars agree that the Supreme Court would step in quickly against it if he tried.

That's because the only body with the formal power to change laws in the US is Congress.

But don't count on Congress to move the date.

Any changes to the law would need to start in the US House of Representatives, which holds a comfortable Democratic majority.

Plus, senior Republicans in Congress (ie. the ones Trump would have to convince to delay the election) were pretty quick to say delaying the election isn't happening.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:26 am

The US president cannot change the date of the presidential election. The US Constitution (Article II Section 1) unequivocally gives the power to set the date to the US Congress. In the 19th century Congress passed a federal law stating that the date of the presidential election would be the Tuesday after the first Monday in November of the election year.

The fuckstick toad Barr knows this perfectly well, so does the oleaginous religious zealot Pompeo, yet they both hemmed and hawed and eventually refused to affirm that it's the US Congress that has authority to set the date. To me this is definitive evidence that they're complete Trumpists who are willing to dispense with the US Constitution if that pleases his almighty Lardship and advances his agenda.

But don't take my word for it:

'Twitter Explodes After Trump Suggests Delaying Election (Current U.S. Law Says He Can’t)'
As Law&Crime has thoroughly explained before under slightly different contexts, the date of the U.S. presidential election is codified in federal statutes. 3 U.S.C. § 1 sets the date as follows: “The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.” Similarly, 2 U.S.C. § 7 sets the date for the election of U.S. senators and representatives on the same day. In other words, the date cannot be changed without Congress changing the laws which set the date. The Senate is controlled by Republicans; the House is controlled by Democrats. It is unlikely the parties would come to a compromise which would allow the election date to be moved.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Seabass » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:56 am

Forty Two wrote: Harverd Law Professor Emeritus, Alan Dershowitz
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Forty Two wrote: Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz
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Forty Two wrote: Mr. Dershowitz said
Forty Two wrote: Alan Dershowitz has said (professor emeritus of Harvard Law School, and one of the best criminal defense attorneys of all time)
Forty Two wrote: Here is Dershowitz in February, 2017
Forty Two wrote: I think Dershowitz's suggestion
Forty Two wrote: Civil Liberties attorney Alan Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz spoke to CBS
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz was quick to point out
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz said that citizens should
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz said that special counsels
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz said that if an ordinary prosecutor
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz was asked what he thinks
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz had some strong words for Rosenstein
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz said if he were President Trump’s lawyer
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz said the American public is quickly losing faith
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz was referring to text messages
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz said he thought Trump
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz said he sees absolutely no evidence
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Regarding a possible impeachment, Dershowitz said
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz said he believes that
Forty Two wrote: said Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz said he has taken a lot of heat
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz was in town
Forty Two wrote: Alan Dershowitz, liberal civil rights lawyer
Forty Two wrote: - Alan Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: - Alan Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: Come on. I agree with Dershowitz on this -- come the fuck on.
Forty Two wrote: Dershowitz is saying that the traditional civil libertarian position
Forty Two wrote: As per attorney Alan Dershowitz
Forty Two wrote: ALAN DERSHOWITZ
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:59 am

Jesus fucking christ.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:20 am

Definitely a criminal lawyer...
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:21 am

And Seabass, you must have a fuck-ton of time in your hands to do that archival retrieval...

And possibly just a tad of animus towards 42... :tea:
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:49 am

Note the original date* on which the document with these allegations was entered into the docket. The actual document may not have been available to the public, but the allegations have been known for some time. I haven't looked up the exact date this made some headlines, but it's been public knowledge for at least a couple of years that there was an accusation by 'Jane Doe' (who I assume is Virginia Giuffre) that as one of Epstein's victims she also was a victim of Mr Dershowitz's attentions. What am I missing?

I expect that in at least one of the linked posts by our absent Trumpist member, he was downplaying those very allegations.

* 01/02/2015

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Hermit » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:05 am

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:49 am
What am I missing?

I expect that in at least one of the linked posts by our absent Trumpist member, he was downplaying those very allegations.
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