All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

[Animavore]

They chant "build the wall" to fucking Native Americans!



What a bunch of ignorant dickheads who've been encouraged to be ignorant dickheads from the highest post in the US.

I weep for the US.

I feel like what Trump supporters, Hitler supporters, Mussolini supporters, Stalin supporters, Bolsonaro supporters, etc, have in common is that they are basically the portion of humanity that's willing to administer the strongest shock in the Milgram experiment.

...for the laugh.

[Tero]

Is this where the jokes go?

[Cunt]

Trump is so smart, he can threaten to shoot a stranger while others observe. He can make this threat in a very public way, and still the smartest people in the country are unable to convict him of anything.

...stupid blather about popular psychology experiment, probably from a movie

The ones willing to administer the largest shocks were not the most interesting part of that experiment. I knew you all were fucks before I read about it.

The really interesting part is what would cause most people to stop administering shocks.

[Animavore]

Narcissists Are Sick, Stressed, and Insecure
They put up a self-satisfied front that shatters every time something goes wrong.

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/vb ... SsTh938FJg

[Animavore]

Doxxing.






Seeing as their parents have failed them.

[Animavore]

More scumbaggery and villainy from the white supremacist Trump administration.

DeVos Will Recommend the Removal of Civil Rights Protections for Students of Color

https://educationpost.org/devos-will-re ... wduQ9RHUjM

[Animavore]

Lol.

[Brian Peacock]

They chant "build the wall" to fucking Native Americans!



What a bunch of ignorant dickheads who've been encouraged to be ignorant dickheads from the highest post in the US.

I weep for the US.

Don't let a minority of dickheads define the US for you. Trump is not America: America is not Trump.

65+ million support the criminal scumbag in the White House and make excuses for him. They are not a small, insignificant amount.

You've missed my point. 65+ million people, roughly a third of the population, are not chanting "Build a wall" at Native Americans. You're generalising from the particular. The majority of Americans are decent people who couldn't countenance and wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing. When you point at an entire demographic and go, "Look, you lot, you're all a fucking disgrace because of what these few people did!" you're falling into the same patterns of emotive vilification as the people you criticise -- the 'all libruls are commies and all commies is evil' brigade -- and in that the entire public discourse is degraded further.

The challenge, for all of us who deplore things like the goading of Native Americans, is to figure out how to resist being emotionally triggered and lashing out, but we can start by not defining a nation by its worst examples but by its best - like the people offering hope to immigrant families by putting them up in their homes, or the people feeding public service workers for free during the shutdown, or the kids from Florida standing up for fewer guns and a better future, or the countless others in the US who chose to help others when and where it matters, and in so doing help themselves to be better people living in better communities.

[Animavore]

They chant "build the wall" to fucking Native Americans!



What a bunch of ignorant dickheads who've been encouraged to be ignorant dickheads from the highest post in the US.

I weep for the US.

Don't let a minority of dickheads define the US for you. Trump is not America: America is not Trump.

65+ million support the criminal scumbag in the White House and make excuses for him. They are not a small, insignificant amount.

You've missed my point. 65+ million people, roughly a third of the population, are not chanting "Build a wall" at Native Americans. You're generalising from the particular. The majority of Americans are decent people who couldn't countenance and wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing. When you point at an entire demographic and go, "Look, you lot, you're all a fucking disgrace because of what these few people did!" you're falling into the same patterns of emotive vilification as the people you criticise -- the 'all libruls are commies and all commies is evil' brigade -- and in that the entire public discourse is degraded further.

The challenge, for all of us who deplore things like the goading of Native Americans, is to figure out how to resist being emotionally triggered and lashing out, but we can start by not defining a nation by its worst examples but by its best - like the people offering hope to immigrant families by putting them up in their homes, or the people feeding public service workers for free during the shutdown, or the kids from Florida standing up for fewer guns and a better future, or the countless others in the US who chose to help others when and where it matters, and in so doing help themselves to be better people living in better communities.

A third of the population is loads. Way too much in fact. If it was a sickness it would be an epidemic and we would be quarantining the country and barring passage in or out, shooting planes out of the sky, etc.

[Seabass]

For the record it's 63 million/320 million = about 20% of the US population. Alternatively, polling data shows they he usually has 35-40% support.

eta: I think I did the numbers once and found that roughly the same percentage of ze German population put the NSDAP into power. I could be misremembering though, and I'm too lazy to do it again...

[Animavore]

Sigh! I think Brian has a point. When you have cancer you don't focus on the sickness. You try to stay positive, focus on living, loving, etc

[Brian Peacock]

They chant "build the wall" to fucking Native Americans!



What a bunch of ignorant dickheads who've been encouraged to be ignorant dickheads from the highest post in the US.

I weep for the US.

Don't let a minority of dickheads define the US for you. Trump is not America: America is not Trump.

65+ million support the criminal scumbag in the White House and make excuses for him. They are not a small, insignificant amount.

You've missed my point. 65+ million people, roughly a third of the population, are not chanting "Build a wall" at Native Americans. You're generalising from the particular. The majority of Americans are decent people who couldn't countenance and wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing. When you point at an entire demographic and go, "Look, you lot, you're all a fucking disgrace because of what these few people did!" you're falling into the same patterns of emotive vilification as the people you criticise -- the 'all libruls are commies and all commies is evil' brigade -- and in that the entire public discourse is degraded further.

The challenge, for all of us who deplore things like the goading of Native Americans, is to figure out how to resist being emotionally triggered and lashing out, but we can start by not defining a nation by its worst examples but by its best - like the people offering hope to immigrant families by putting them up in their homes, or the people feeding public service workers for free during the shutdown, or the kids from Florida standing up for fewer guns and a better future, or the countless others in the US who chose to help others when and where it matters, and in so doing help themselves to be better people living in better communities.

A third of the population is loads. Way too much in fact. If it was a sickness it would be an epidemic and we would be quarantining the country and barring passage in or out, shooting planes out of the sky, etc.

I guess my question is why are a few people behaving disgracefully towards Native Americans more significant or symbolic to you that the few people who are handing out 200,000 free meals a day in Washington to public services workers during the shutdown? Why does one seem to typify America and who Americans are more than the other?

For the record it's 63 million/320 million = about 20% of the US population. Alternatively, polling data shows they he usually has 35-40% support.

Ooops. I dropped a 100 million somewhere.

eta: I think I did the numbers once and found that roughly the same percentage of ze German population put the NSDAP into power. I could be misremembering though, and I'm too lazy to do it again...

And perhaps the way to ensure a fascist regime is to start by telling people that they're fascists now and treating them as such. That was sarcasm of course, but if one really wants to avoid fascism then one needs to look further up the political food chain than the lumpen prol, at the structure of democracy, the robustness of democratic institutions, the role of the legislature, the administration of justice etc. Sometimes it's easier to just call people Nazis and have done with it, eh?

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying don't object to what is objectionable btw, or don't challenge or criticise, or even ridicule, just that contumelious vituperation and self-righteous indignation can only carry one so far before it becomes self-defeating, and perhaps a bit damaging.

[Tero]

Stump speech rejected before he gives it

As elements of the president‘s move began to dribble out, senior Democratic leaders made clear they were not open to discussing it while the government remained closed. Senate Minority Whip DIck Durbin (D-Ill.), who authored a bill laying out some of Trump's proposals, said he would not support it while the government was closed and was only willing to talk once the shutdown ends.
Politico

[Seabass]

And perhaps the way to ensure a fascist regime is to start by telling people that they're fascists now and treating them as such. That was sarcasm of course, but if one really wants to avoid fascism then one needs to look further up the political food chain than the lumpen prol, at the structure of democracy, the robustness of democratic institutions, the role of the legislature, the administration of justice etc. Sometimes it's easier to just call people Nazis and have done with it, eh?

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying don't object to what is objectionable btw, or don't challenge or criticise, or even ridicule, just that contumelious vituperation and self-righteous indignation can only carry one so far before it becomes self-defeating, and perhaps a bit damaging.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Being shitty to Trump sycophants won't solve anything. I'll just say in my defense that my venting on the interwebs does not reflect my behavior in the real world.

[Brian Peacock]

It's therapy for me too!