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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:18 am

Trump dogs in Supreme Court jump at chance to overrule lower courts:
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Appeals process not followed. Trump and they are legislating from the bench.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:47 am

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Most parks and reserves need to cull, why not make some money on it? Let the Big Game Hunter pay 10Gs to shoot a sick giraffe.
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No, I'm saying that they DO. This method of forest managment is complicated, and exploits Trumps (and whoever else can be pressed into service)
Nobody is pressed into service. People are clamouring for the opportunity of shooting big game.

I do agree with government agencies making money out of big game hunters, provided the continued existence of species so hunted are, and remain safe. The grizzly bear is listed as a threatened species in the contiguous United States and endangered in parts of Canada, but not in Alaska, where about 30,000 of 55,000 of them live.
It seems that the only argument that can be put forward to support controlled big game trophy hunting is that the revenue generated assists conservation efforts, and/or that some animals need culling to manage their population dynamics.

In the current human-dominated world, animal populations are under increasing pressure, mainly from habitat loss, but also from pollution, climate change and introduced species. Humans have an ethical obligation to resist the tide of extinction and the reduction and impoverishment of wilderness. This process is best achieved though rational scientific agencies and wildlife rangers, properly funded and regulated by government. To say that rich thrill-killers can indulge their pleasures is surrendering to a capitalist model where value only arises via wealth and power, rather than rational management by the representatives of the people as a whole. If culling of large animals is required (which is less frequent than trophy hunting apologists insist), leave it to expert biologists, who can make decisions unsullied by the power of unfettered wealth.

Killing animals is not something to be taken lightly, with no thought of ethical considerations, in a world where nature is squeezed to the margins. Hunting and killing animals for food, in a rationally sustainable manner can be justified. Killing feral animals disrupting ecosystems likewise. If the hunters in these cases gain personal satisfaction (likely part of our hominid evolutionary heritage), then fair enough. Indulging without ethical justification is simply wrong.
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Post by Tero » Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:45 pm

Coal power is run state by state. my state has done poorly, the penny pinchers want to use coal plant as long as possible. We have one nuclear plant.
Many states have responded. We are putting Trump's coal mines out of business. Only the cheap strip mining is in use.
What lowers emissions is technological innovation and market forces.

As the IEA noted in explaining the drop in U.S. emissions last year: “A 15% reduction in the use of coal for power generation underpinned the decline in overall US emissions in 2019. Coal-fired power plants faced even stronger competition from natural gas-fired generation, with benchmark gas prices an average of 45% lower than 2018 levels. As a result, gas increased its share of electricity generation to a record high of 37%.”
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:23 pm

People with no respect for hunters are funny. Our world has been (in some, highly artificial city type areas) free of the need to hunt for barely a few decades.

Having connected with some hunters, and faced my own use of meat, has improved my life MUCH more than anyone who sat, wealthy and easy-living, in a city telling others how to live.

Our world is varied, and if one misses out on the experience of hunting, they have turned away from our history. ALL our history.

We all eat life, and 'destroy the ecosystem' to forward our personal and community goals. Hunters do it in a less deniable way, than folks who wear animal products, eat animal products, use animal products (including plastic) and then complain about how someone else is using animal products. Hell, some of them even make more humans, then let them go do more of the same...

But yeah, it isn't TDS, even if those complaining ARE using oil and plastic (which are animal products) using farmed foods (where ALL the competing animals are killed) or living in cities (#remediatecities)

It's effectively standing on a mountain of bones to get a better view, then complaining about all the bones in sight.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:10 pm

all new WH employees will have to give Trump a blow job and a box of candy before being hired
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:14 pm

CNN?

Have they paid off Nick Sandman for 'journalisming' him?
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Post by Seabass » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:21 pm

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:53 pm

Cunt wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:23 pm
People with no respect for hunters are funny. Our world has been (in some, highly artificial city type areas) free of the need to hunt for barely a few decades.

Having connected with some hunters, and faced my own use of meat, has improved my life MUCH more than anyone who sat, wealthy and easy-living, in a city telling others how to live.

Our world is varied, and if one misses out on the experience of hunting, they have turned away from our history. ALL our history.

We all eat life, and 'destroy the ecosystem' to forward our personal and community goals. Hunters do it in a less deniable way, than folks who wear animal products, eat animal products, use animal products (including plastic) and then complain about how someone else is using animal products. Hell, some of them even make more humans, then let them go do more of the same...

But yeah, it isn't TDS, even if those complaining ARE using oil and plastic (which are animal products) using farmed foods (where ALL the competing animals are killed) or living in cities (#remediatecities)

It's effectively standing on a mountain of bones to get a better view, then complaining about all the bones in sight.
If this is in response to my posts, then, as usual, you failed to understand them.

You don't have to be "anti-hunter" in general to oppose the obscenity that is rich trophy hunters.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by laklak » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:19 pm

President fires disloyal employees, replaces with allies. Video at 11.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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laklak wrote:
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President fires disloyal employees, replaces with allies. Video at 11.
Yes, because making purge lists of people who have done nothing wrong other than commit the cardinal sin of not being a 100% servile toadie is a totally normal thing that all presidents do.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:52 pm

JimC wrote:
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If this is in response to my posts, then, as usual, you failed to understand them.

You don't have to be "anti-hunter" in general to oppose the obscenity that is rich trophy hunters.
Honestly, I feel the same way about Olympic marathoners.

I mean, I love running. I don't so much love the world getting together to piss away a bunch of resources on a runner who runs 0.1% faster than my local field.

I see trophy hunting the same way. Hunters have an 'olympics', one example is the Boone & Crocket score. I don't know much about it, but try to be respectful of their 'elite competition', even if it does piss a lot of resources away.

Currently, I'm avoiding running indoors because a friend was chatting with me, and felt bad about taking a jet to Australia to train for the Olympics.

You might know I disagree with the Olympics in general, some of the politicking around 'climate alarmism', and rich kids. It's true.

It's also true that he is a human, doing his level best to perform in his (ridiculously meaningless) sport field. Millions will be spent for his effort, between his training and spectators following his training and performance at the next Olympics.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:37 pm

Cunt wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:23 pm
People with no respect for hunters are funny. Our world has been (in some, highly artificial city type areas) free of the need to hunt for barely a few decades.

Having connected with some hunters, and faced my own use of meat, has improved my life MUCH more than anyone who sat, wealthy and easy-living, in a city telling others how to live.

Our world is varied, and if one misses out on the experience of hunting, they have turned away from our history. ALL our history.

We all eat life, and 'destroy the ecosystem' to forward our personal and community goals. Hunters do it in a less deniable way, than folks who wear animal products, eat animal products, use animal products (including plastic) and then complain about how someone else is using animal products. Hell, some of them even make more humans, then let them go do more of the same...

But yeah, it isn't TDS, even if those complaining ARE using oil and plastic (which are animal products) using farmed foods (where ALL the competing animals are killed) or living in cities (#remediatecities)

It's effectively standing on a mountain of bones to get a better view, then complaining about all the bones in sight.
This has got nothing to do with trophy hunting.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Seabass wrote:
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laklak wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:19 pm
President fires disloyal employees, replaces with allies. Video at 11.
Yes, because making purge lists of people who have done nothing wrong other than commit the cardinal sin of not being a 100% servile toadie is a totally normal thing that all presidents do.
It's not something a normal prez does, but it's certainly something frump has been known to do with appalling regularity.
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