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Re: Media Bias

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:18 am

Still does not reflect European politics which is often the reason for other Anglo-Saxon countries they have difficulty relating to it. No where outside Europe do you see Social-Democrats or Social-Conservatives. Two beasts totally incomprehensible to the Anglo-Saxon mind-set but very much alive in almost all European countries except of course the UK. They have nothing to do with "liberal".
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:22 am

Load of bollocks. Greens are social democrats, and they are everywhere. And New Zealand and probably Canada are fairly social democratic. Hell, the Australian Labor Party at the last election was pretty social democratic.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:23 am

And in the US Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and AOC are social democrats.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:25 am

Some people would not know a Social-Democrat if it came up and bit their ass especially an unemployed ass.
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Post by Rum » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:32 am

And some people use the utterly bogus ‘mindset’ notion to close down discussion. What bullshit to say the ‘Anglo Saxon’ Mindset finds some political ideas incomprehensible. Where do you get off?

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Post by Hermit » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:52 am

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:59 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:Some people would not know a Social-Democrat if it came up and bit their ass especially an unemployed ass.
And some people who've never once constructed a rational argument and are terminally insular, wouldn't know a non-Dutch social democrat if it came up and bit their gender confused arse.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by JimC » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:00 am

Hermit wrote:

I have what used to be the Fairfax media empire, chiefly "The Sydney Morning Herald" and "The Age", in mind. Their advocacy of centrist, small-l liberalism made them vigorously partisan even while they made serious attempts at covering a range of positions.
All I know is that I would rather read the Age than the Herald-Sun, and listen to the ABC, rather than others...

Even if they are scary centrist ideologues... :tea:
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Hermit » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:21 am

JimC wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:00 am
Hermit wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:18 am
I have what used to be the Fairfax media empire, chiefly "The Sydney Morning Herald" and "The Age", in mind. Their advocacy of centrist, small-l liberalism made them vigorously partisan even while they made serious attempts at covering a range of positions.
All I know is that I would rather read the Age than the Herald-Sun, and listen to the ABC, rather than others...

Even if they are scary centrist ideologues... :tea:
A centrist resorting to strawmanning. Who would have thunk it?

Or will you argue that within a centrist framework you provided a fair interpretation of what I wrote? ;)

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Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:56 am

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And in the US Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and AOC are social democrats.
I don't know about Warren there. She seems rather rampantly capitalist with just enough of a hint of a nod to socially-minded classical liberalism to keep the masses quiet and the votes rolling in. She was certainly baying for blood in support of the IMF's outrage over Venezuela. In fact, in a US context she's probably as far towards the off-centre right as Americans are prepared to look left as an electorate. Bernie is definitely off-centre left, but AOC... well... she's just a commie lickspittle running dog with designer jackboots!
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:58 am

I think one of the ideological problems of centrism is when it slips into making noises about there always being a reasonable compromise located between extreme positions.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:04 am

Once again it is obvious that many dont have a clue about Northern European Social Democracies. Quoting a load of American politicians who do not by any stretch of the imagination fit the picture. Bernie a socialist? He would not make it in the VVD here and that is as right as we get. Comprehension of European societies is very lacking in this forum but that is understandable seeing where most members come from.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:07 am

There is no European equivalent of Australia.

NB I use European as mainland Europe. The UK has never truly been European.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by JimC » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:22 am

Hermit wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:21 am
JimC wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:00 am
Hermit wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:18 am
I have what used to be the Fairfax media empire, chiefly "The Sydney Morning Herald" and "The Age", in mind. Their advocacy of centrist, small-l liberalism made them vigorously partisan even while they made serious attempts at covering a range of positions.
All I know is that I would rather read the Age than the Herald-Sun, and listen to the ABC, rather than others...

Even if they are scary centrist ideologues... :tea:
A centrist resorting to strawmanning. Who would have thunk it?

Or will you argue that within a centrist framework you provided a fair interpretation of what I wrote? ;)
My argument isn't that media outlets of any stripe are paragons of perfect unbiased reporting. It's simply that, within current Oz media outlets, the examples you provided (The Age etc.) are better than the baying conservative alternatives...
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Re: Media Bias

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:31 am


Scot Dutchy wrote:Once again it is obvious that many dont have a clue about Northern European Social Democracies. Quoting a load of American politicians who do not by any stretch of the imagination fit the picture. Bernie a socialist?
You can't even keep your bullshit story straight. You said "social democrats", not socialists.

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