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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:49 am

Joe wrote:
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A 'liberal' who cites the Mises Institute equating the Green New Deal to the Great Leap Forward and calls Bernie Sanders a socialist?

You see the damnedest things on the internet. :lol:
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Re: Media Bias

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:52 am

Animavore wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:21 am
The most worrying thing about watching a person slide over a number of years from a rational, sane person, to a complete crank, is that you end up worrying if it could happen to you or anyone you know. Like imagine if, for instance, if Dawkins started supporting creationism and started making really bad arguments he has to know are shit and quoting and referencing Answers in Genesis. What type of psychosis or loss of mental faculty or impairment would someone like that have to suffer from to fall to the wayside like that?
He hasn't gone that bad, but he has slipped into ranting old man territory with some of his anti-pc stuff.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Animavore » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:02 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:52 am
Animavore wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:21 am
The most worrying thing about watching a person slide over a number of years from a rational, sane person, to a complete crank, is that you end up worrying if it could happen to you or anyone you know. Like imagine if, for instance, if Dawkins started supporting creationism and started making really bad arguments he has to know are shit and quoting and referencing Answers in Genesis. What type of psychosis or loss of mental faculty or impairment would someone like that have to suffer from to fall to the wayside like that?
He hasn't gone that bad, but he has slipped into ranting old man territory with some of his anti-pc stuff.
The list of sites referenced to by Seabass suggests otherwise. He's in tinfoil hat territory by the sound of it.
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Re: Media Bias

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Animavore wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:02 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:52 am
Animavore wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:21 am
The most worrying thing about watching a person slide over a number of years from a rational, sane person, to a complete crank, is that you end up worrying if it could happen to you or anyone you know. Like imagine if, for instance, if Dawkins started supporting creationism and started making really bad arguments he has to know are shit and quoting and referencing Answers in Genesis. What type of psychosis or loss of mental faculty or impairment would someone like that have to suffer from to fall to the wayside like that?
He hasn't gone that bad, but he has slipped into ranting old man territory with some of his anti-pc stuff.
The list of sites referenced to by Seabass suggests otherwise. He's in tinfoil hat territory by the sound of it.
In Faulty Two's defence I feel duty-bound to point out that most of the stuff he quotes from the tinfoil hat sites is not tinfoil hat material. I don't recall him ever trumpeting their birther stuff, pizzagate, global warming as a Chinese conspiracy and so forth. H does hold a lot of mainstream liberal values as well, such as the ones concerning homosexuality, abortion rights and so forth.

That said, his continual MacCarthyite incantations, belief in trickle-down economics and advocacy of the Chicago School of economics, particularly as preached by Milton Friedman, places him well right of centre.

And yes, as far as poverty in the US is concerned, he just about denies it exists by means of comparing the dollar income of poverty stricken US citizens with the poor in Bangladesh and similar countries. That truly stinks, and my impression that he does not mind engaging in occasional dishonesty is not assuaged by his repeated failures to legitimise the literally fantastic data he has lifted from The Heritage Foundation.

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Re: Media Bias

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:23 am

Animavore wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:02 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:52 am
Animavore wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:21 am
The most worrying thing about watching a person slide over a number of years from a rational, sane person, to a complete crank, is that you end up worrying if it could happen to you or anyone you know. Like imagine if, for instance, if Dawkins started supporting creationism and started making really bad arguments he has to know are shit and quoting and referencing Answers in Genesis. What type of psychosis or loss of mental faculty or impairment would someone like that have to suffer from to fall to the wayside like that?
He hasn't gone that bad, but he has slipped into ranting old man territory with some of his anti-pc stuff.
The list of sites referenced to by Seabass suggests otherwise. He's in tinfoil hat territory by the sound of it.
No I'm talking about Dawkins.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:25 am

Hermit wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:09 am
Animavore wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:02 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:52 am
Animavore wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:21 am
The most worrying thing about watching a person slide over a number of years from a rational, sane person, to a complete crank, is that you end up worrying if it could happen to you or anyone you know. Like imagine if, for instance, if Dawkins started supporting creationism and started making really bad arguments he has to know are shit and quoting and referencing Answers in Genesis. What type of psychosis or loss of mental faculty or impairment would someone like that have to suffer from to fall to the wayside like that?
He hasn't gone that bad, but he has slipped into ranting old man territory with some of his anti-pc stuff.
The list of sites referenced to by Seabass suggests otherwise. He's in tinfoil hat territory by the sound of it.
In Faulty Two's defence I feel duty-bound to point out that most of the stuff he quotes from the tinfoil hat sites is not tinfoil hat material. I don't recall him ever trumpeting their birther stuff, pizzagate, global warming as a Chinese conspiracy and so forth. H does hold a lot of mainstream liberal values as well, such as the ones concerning homosexuality, abortion rights and so forth.
He did buy into the "Hillary has epilepsy" (or whatever ailment it was) conspiracy theory.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Animavore » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:37 am

The question needs to ne asked; why is he even on these sites? And why post from those sites? Why not look for the source and post that link?

Nah. Not really buying it. My Google bubble wouldn't even give me those sites as top searches because I'm no where near them.
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Animavore wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:37 am
The question needs to ne asked; why is he even on these sites? And why post from those sites?
Because, as I just mentioned above, many of his views are well right of centre. That is pretty much obvious to everyone with a modicum of understanding, except for him. I wish Coito Two would wake up to his cognitive dissonance one day. His protestations to the contrary don't wash because disapproval of such things as abortion, belief in pizzagate stories, birther myths and Chinese global warming conspiracies are more accurately labelled as socially or politically conservative than economically right wing.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:03 am

Being a Russian troll he has no options. Hey Dmitri your masters in Moscow are tough are they not. Siberia is not pleasant. :smug:
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Post by rainbow » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:30 am

Forty Two wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:35 pm
rainbow wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:57 pm
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This has nothing to do with communism. Since when does "communism = government?"
State ownership of the infrastructure.

You are in favour of this now?
The state always owns the government.
Meaningless drivel. You mentioned "government", not I.

We are talking about the state owning the infrastructure.

Please pay attention.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:45 am

It is not a question of who owns what but who controls what. We have almost nothing in state ownership but the state controls everything rigidly. The state sets the standards business has to conform.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:03 pm

Such a great country. Freedom of liberty?

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Trump told the crowds inside El Paso County Coliseum that 69,000 people had signed up to attend. “The arena holds 8,000 and, thank you fire department, they got in about 10 [thousand],” he said. “But if you really want to see something, go outside. Tens of thousands of people are watching screens outside.”
More fake news.
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Scot Dutchy wrote:
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It is not a question of who owns what but who controls what. We have almost nothing in state ownership but the state controls everything rigidly. The state sets the standards business has to conform.
True in some cases, but normally ownership means control. An old Capitalist idea.
In the Corporate Era, ownership isn't necessary for control, but that's off topic.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Forty Two » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:24 pm

Seabass wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am
Forty Two wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:49 am
Seabass wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:42 pm
Forty Two wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:28 pm
Seabass wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:05 pm
You are far-right. The entire Republican party is far-right.
Nonsense. I'm Liberal on most issues, with libertarian and civil libertarian tendencies.

You're just far left ideologue who thinks that "leftist progressive" means you're liberal. You're not. You're an authoritarian, and very likely more conservative on most issues than I am, which is why you mistake someone who holds liberal positions on most issues for a "conservative." To you, everyone who isn't a fucking progressive leftist or socialist is "conservative."

Your lack of respect for freedom of speech and individual liberty, and your tendency to mock those concepts, adds to your leftist authoritarian bent. You support people who chant "No Trump. No Wall. NO USA AT ALL!"

Anyone who would support socialism and the kind of massive government oppression that you support is very far left indeed. Given your personality displayed here, I have no doubt that you'd be among the first of your fellow students to pick up a Little Red Book and start denouncing the bourgeoisie. I can see you turning in a friend, teacher or family member, for sure, you and your Scarlet Banner of the Youth League - Seabass, the little Parsons Boy. You'd hear someone mumbling "Make America Great Again" in their sleep, and you'd report the thoughtcrime.
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Yeah, and Trump is totally liberal.
Not totally, but he was more liberal than most of the other Republican candidates, which is the point I made about Trump. Way more liberal than Ted Cruz, for example. The point I made about me is that I'm liberal on most issues. I'm not some freak-ass leftist scumbag, of course. But those people think they're liberal, but really their the furthest thing from it.
Seabass wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:42 pm

And Steve King is not a racist.
He may be. What does that have to do with me?
Seabass wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:42 pm

And Tucker Carlson is not a white nationalist.
He's not. Only a complete idiot or a liar would say that. But, even if he was, what does that have to do with me?
Seabass wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:42 pm



And racism is very unpopular in the US.
It is, except to douchebag leftist scumbags who say "every white person is racist" and "minorities can't be racist" and other douchebaggery of that nature.
Seabass wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:42 pm

And abortions are easy to get in the US.
They are. If you lived here, you'd know that.
Seabass wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:42 pm

And no one is poor in the US.
Who said that? Nobody? Nobody at all? Only a real moron would think I said anything like that, or a lying piece of shit. One or the other. What I did say is that the poor in the US, by and large, generally speaking, live better than just about anywhere else in the world, and what qualifies as "poor" in the US generally beats the "middle" in most of the world. And the numbers are obvious on that. Only someone with an agenda - a propaganda driven idiot, like an SJW Leftist Progressive, or someone else of that ilk, would think like you do.
Seabass wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:42 pm
Man, you've been marinating in far-right propaganda for so long, you think anyone to the left of Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter is a "leftist progressive socialist authoritarian".
You don't even know what you're talking about. You just project your own faults on others. You're just a leftist bumper sticker.

I'd never call Rush Limbaugh left wing, but you'd call him a Nazi, fascist, white supremacist, or words to that effect, because you've been so steeped in leftist bullshit that you probably sincerely think he is one. LOL

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You need to quit smoking crack, homie. You're straight up delusional.

Let me get this straight—you've got a Hayek quote in your sig,
Yes, Hayek is a liberal economist who won a Nobel Price in Economics for his pioneering work in the theory of money and economic fluctuations and for their penetrating analysis of interdependence of economic, social and institutional phenomena.

Hayek wrote, in "Road to Serfdom", the following, by way of example -- "Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."

I mean, if you knew anything at all, which you obviously don't, you'd be aware that Hayek even wrote a piece called "Why I Am Not A Conservative." https://www.press.uchicago.edu/books/ex ... ution.html

So, yeah, you got that straight. I have a Hayek quote in my sig, with Hayek being one of the preeminent liberal economists of the 20th century. But, you're so fucking dopey-ass "Progressive" that you think that's "conservative." Fucking hell dude....

Seabass wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am

you cited a mises.org article earlier,
Yes, Ludwig Von Mises is also one of the preeminent liberal economists of the 20th century. He wrote, Liberalism: In the Classic Tradition, and it is his statement in defense of a "free society." He wrote "The program of liberalism, therefore, if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property, that is, private ownership of the means of production... All the other demands of liberalism result from this fundamental demand."

He recommended the "complete separation of church and state." He recommended political decentralization. He favored freedom of movement relative to immigration. He praised the cultural virtues of tolerance. He defended "rationalism" as the essential foundation of "liberal political order." He discusses the relationship of liberalism to politics and special intersts. https://mises-media.s3.amazonaws.com/Li ... tion_3.pdf

I mean - why don't you fucking read something?

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Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am

you think the following are legitimate, credible news sources/journalists:
That depends what they are reporting on. I don't credit that list as "news" sources, for sure - since they weren't news agencies, newspapers, or news outlets. Those are commentators and pundits espousing a position or an argument - commentary and discussion. I cited most of those on rare occasions. Rare occasions. Mostly, I cite mainstream news items for news. And, I have cited as many far left sources as you listed there. Only you don't pay attention to that. To you, if someone cites the "wrong" source, you label them and scream at them, because you're a total douche. You don't care that I've also cited The Guardian, CNN, MSNBC, CBC, ABC, NBC, BBC, CBC, ABC (Oz), Daily Kos, Think Progress, Mother Jones, Talking Points Memo, Reason, Salon, Alternet, Slate, Huffington Post, The Nation, Moveon.org, Politifact, RedState, Hotair, Mediaite, Media Matters, Real Clear Politics, Politico, Truthout, Democracy Now, Socialist Party USA and the list goes on and on.
Seabass wrote:
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... and you think I'm the one with wacky political views?
You are. Not only are they wacky, but you don't even understand the foundations and underpinnings of your own wacky political views. You just parrot them, like an NPC or a robot.
Seabass wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am

I'm more or less a Democrat who votes Green when it's safe (ie no Republicans in the race).
LOL - sure you are.
Seabass wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am

Any sane person who hasn't spent years swimming in far-right propaganda can see that your political views are farther from the center than mine.
Mine are liberal. Yours are "Progressive Leftist."
Seabass wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am

Regardless of whether or not it's good or bad, your political views are objectively further outside the mainstream than mine.
Which views? Pro choice on abortion? Anti-death penalty? Atheism? Separation of Church and State? Pro-rights of the accused? Pro-First Amendment rights of freedom of speech, press, association and religion? Pro rights against unreasonable search and seizure? Pro-right to assisted suicide? Pro-legal immigration?

You'll have to be specific on which views of mine you claim are "far right."

Seabass wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am


Of course, there's nothing particularly wrong with holding political views that are outside the mainstream, but for fuck's sake, if you do, at least have the courtesy to admit it.
Go ahead, admit it.

Assface, I have never been resistant to telling you my view on any issue. Just ask. What view of mine do you suspect to be outside the mainstream?
Seabass wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am

Stop acting like you're the normal one,
LOL. You're a Progressive Leftist, which makes you abnormal.
Seabass wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am

and everyone else is crazy.
Everyone else? LOL. As if "everyone else" believes what you believe.
Seabass wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 am

If you want to proselytise Trumpism at the rest of us, fine, but don't talk to those of us who do not accept Trump as the one true god and savior like we're the fanatical ones. You're the fanatic. Even in the US you're in the minority 35% that still supports trump. Outside the US? Forget about it. The rest of the world hates the fat orange prick.
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Are you referring to the same polls that said he hand almost no chance of being elected in 2016? Good on ya! Keep on with your echo chamber.

If you look at "likely voters" he's at 50% -- and I couldn't care less about what folks outside the US think. They're fed a "daily diet of propaganda" as you put it, only they think what they're fed is not propaganda.

Zogby thinks you have cause for concern -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/ ... 1b114d2bc2

Anyway - I don't know if he'll win in 2020. I didn't think he'd win in 2016. I was shocked as all hell. I don't shill for Trump, and I oppose some of his policies. What I will say is that he's done a great job overall, and if you'd like to argue that, then please, by all means, let's argue specifics. Can it with the "orange prick" nonsense and the never-ending stream of ad hominem that comes from your political ilk. Look at the bills he's signed, the regulations he's passed and repealed, the measures he's taken as President, and juxtapose that against the results and present state of affairs. Make a reasoned argument. Fuck off with the "orange man bad" and "everyone hates the racist, islamaphobe ,xenophobe, misogynist" in the white house. Your arguments are generally fourth or fifth grade level. Try to make a high school level argument, if you can.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Forty Two » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:28 pm

rainbow wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:30 am
Forty Two wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:35 pm
rainbow wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:57 pm
Forty Two wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:36 pm
This has nothing to do with communism. Since when does "communism = government?"
State ownership of the infrastructure.

You are in favour of this now?
The state always owns the government.
Meaningless drivel. You mentioned "government", not I.

We are talking about the state owning the infrastructure.

Please pay attention.
I addressed the infrastructure. Try reading something before you puke your bullshit.
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