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Re: Media Bias

Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:21 pm

Do you know the objectives of that agreement?

Do you remember what the 17th was?

Go back to how the compact isn't binding, or something. Move those goalposts. I'm just saying that your government (if they signed) just agreed to that goal.
OBJECTIVE 17: Eliminate all forms of discrimination and promote evidence-based public
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33. We commit to eliminate all forms of discrimination, condemn and counter expressions, acts and
manifestations of racism, racial discrimination, violence, xenophobia and related intolerance
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'in full respect for freedom of the media'.

Are you sure there won't be some changes to how the BBC reports, based on the fact that their main funder just signed a promise to stop funding anything which has been deemed to 'promote intolerance, etc...'?

It sure looks difficult to talk about in that environment. Are you allowed to draw Mohommad? Or will you be burned at the stake for hatespeech?
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Hermit » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:21 am

Cunt wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:21 pm
Are you sure there won't be some changes to how the BBC reports, based on the fact that their main funder just signed a promise to stop funding anything which has been deemed to 'promote intolerance, etc...'?
Oh, the irony. Nothing wrong with intolerance all of a sudden? You and Coito Two have been arguing in favour of unlimited tolerance for yonks. All of a sudden it is wrong to withdraw funding from those who promote intolerance. Excellent flip.

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Post by Cunt » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:33 am

Hermit wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:21 am
Cunt wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:21 pm
Are you sure there won't be some changes to how the BBC reports, based on the fact that their main funder just signed a promise to stop funding anything which has been deemed to 'promote intolerance, etc...'?
Oh, the irony. Nothing wrong with intolerance all of a sudden? You and Coito Two have been arguing in favour of unlimited tolerance for yonks. All of a sudden it is wrong to withdraw funding from those who promote intolerance. Excellent flip.
Your incoherence is as welcome as ever, Hermit.

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Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:33 pm
You are a Republican. You are a conservative, right-wing Republican. You are part of sickness that must be cured for the sake of humanity.
Seabass in the quote above makes me ashamed to be associated with the political left.

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Re: Media Bias

Post by Hermit » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:19 am

Cunt wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:33 am
Your incoherence is as welcome as ever
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For example:
Cunt wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:33 am
Has anyone really been far even as to use even go want to do look more like?
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Re: Media Bias

Post by JimC » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:23 am

:lol:
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Re: Media Bias

Post by JimC » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:30 am

Back to my current obsession, government vs private enterprise. Of course, there are many examples of mixtures, some of which seem to work well. Governments (federal, state or local) may have ownership and control of roads, for example. However, to build a new freeway, or simply to maintain a stretch of road, it is common for government to employ a road building company, hopefully by putting out tenders.
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Post by Svartalf » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:46 am

tenders? what's that? here, we have a procedure called "public markets" where the state or region or municipality issues a set of guidelines about what it wants done and how, and private enterprises bid for that market, the lowest bidder being traditionally the one to get the market, though, recently, a flurry of too low bids having led to services that were not up to snuff has led to a tightening of the specifications for the various jobs, and it has happened that a bidder that was not the lowest has been chosen, if there is evidence that it is more able than lower bidders to do the job right.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:37 am

That's a tender.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by JimC » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:41 am

Svartalf wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:46 am
tenders? what's that? here, we have a procedure called "public markets" where the state or region or municipality issues a set of guidelines about what it wants done and how, and private enterprises bid for that market, the lowest bidder being traditionally the one to get the market, though, recently, a flurry of too low bids having led to services that were not up to snuff has led to a tightening of the specifications for the various jobs, and it has happened that a bidder that was not the lowest has been chosen, if there is evidence that it is more able than lower bidders to do the job right.
We in Oz use the term "tender" for exactly that process, Svarty. It needs careful governance, or corruption can set in (government officials getting bribes to accept less than ideal tenders, for example). However, if managed properly, it provides a useful amount of competition, hopefully allowing governments to get more bang for their buck...

So, getting back to the original impetus for my posts, I'm certainly not a socialist in the pure sense, and I don't think Bernie Sanders is either, for all 42's dire forebodings about the thin end of the commie wedge... ;)
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Cunt » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:12 am

Joe Rogan posted an interview today with Tim Pool.

Of course, none of you will likely bother, though the subject was heavily centred around media bias.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:30 am

JimC wrote:Best in government hands (with hopefully some mechanisms in place to ensure efficiency, which can be an issue)

* all transport infrastructure, all rail services, ports etc.
* electricity and gas providers, with all the infrastructure involved
* education and health (with the possibility of private alternatives)
* defence and law enforcement (obvious, except to libertarian weirdos...)
* banks and financial institutions such as insurance (except a stock exchange, of course). This one is controversial. Perhaps a large, government owned major bank, whose emphasis (unlike current Oz banks) is ethical behaviour and optimising customer service; maybe you could allow private banks or insurance firms as competitors (if the state bank got it right, most would choose to go with it...)

This, of course, is in an ideal world - getting from here to there would be a minefield...
We have in force here very strict inspectorates. All infrastructure is government owned. The services that use it are not. All energy is privatised with an extremely powerful inspectorate which is also true of health which is basically privatised but the health inspectorate is the most powerful. Education here has gone the other way from many private organisations to all government owned. Financial organisations are so heavily controlled after 2008 they might as well be stated owned and one major bank still is.

It is control that is important not who that owns them. The worst option is self regulation which never works.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:32 am

Here in the EU any contract being offered above a certain price (it depends on the sector) must be open to all companies within the EU.
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Post by Rum » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:53 am

My last job was exactly that. It was called ‘commisioning’ and it involved, in my case, measuring the need for a service, in my case education and social care, getting tenders in, setting up ways of measuring how they would meet the objectives we set and then reviewing it. At the time the rules required we did this with pretty much every initiative, which meant buying in people from charities, the voluntary sector and so on.

Was my favourite job ever and I was sad to leave it when I retired.

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Re: Media Bias

Post by Hermit » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:28 pm

Cunt wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:12 am
Joe Rogan posted an interview today with Tim Pool.

Of course, none of you will likely bother
O dear. There goes another one. :irony:

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Re: Media Bias

Post by rainbow » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:57 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:36 pm
This has nothing to do with communism. Since when does "communism = government?"
State ownership of the infrastructure.

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