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Post by Cunt » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:54 pm

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Re: Media Bias

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:30 pm

Ya see, the deal is, really, Mr. Carlson should not be expected to be factual in his statements. He's working on a higher level than mere facts. Facts aren't that important, what's important is making you 'think harder.' So instead of calling it trolling via disinformation, we're going to call it 'provocative things that will help me think harder.'

'Fox News lawyer tells judge that Tucker Carlson's audience doesn't expect him to report the facts'
An attorney for Fox News told a New York federal judge at a preliminary hearing that Tucker Carlson's audience does not expect him to report the facts — even when Carlson tells his audience that he is doing so.

And the attorney further argued that Carlson has no duty to look into whether his statements are truthful.

"What we're talking about here, it's not the front page of the New York Times," Erin Murphy, the attorney, said. "It's 'Tucker Carlson Tonight,' which is a commentary show."

The statements come amid a slander lawsuit brought against the right-leaning network by Karen McDougal, the former Playmate model who was paid $150,000 by the National Enquirer in a "catch-and-kill" sting to silence her allegations about an affair with then-candidate Donald Trump, who at the time of the alleged incident was a reality TV competition host.

McDougal claims that Carlson defamed her on a December 2018 edition of his primetime show, at which time the host accused McDougal and Stephanie Clifford (aka Stormy Daniels) of "extorting" Trump.

"Remember the facts of the story: These are undisputed," Carlson said in the segment. "Two women approached Donald Trump and threatened to ruin his career and humiliate his family if he doesn't give them money."

"Now, that sounds like a classic case of extortion," Carlson continued. "Yet, for whatever reason, Trump caves to it, and he directs Michael Cohen to pay the ransom. Now, more than two years later, Trump is a felon for doing this. It doesn't seem to make any sense."

"Oh, but you're not a federal prosecutor on a political mission," Carlson added. "If you were a federal prosecutor on a political mission, you would construe those extortion payments as campaign contributions."

The network wants the court to throw out the case on the argument that Carlson cannot defame anyone on his show, because his viewers do not expect him to state and verify facts. That would hinder McDougal's ability to prove that Carlson acted "with malice," which is the high bar of proof she must meet as a public figure.

Murphy, the Fox attorney, told the court that Carlson simply stirs the pot on his show — and a reasonable viewer would be able to discern between his "provocative things that will help me think harder" and straight news. The network airing Carlson's show also broadcasts news programming — and the word "news" is even in its name.

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Re: Media Bias

Post by Cunt » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:29 pm

One spot of media bias that doesn't seem to divide politically, is when social media (or mainstream) suggests they are removing dangerously bad medical information, they seldom include chiropractic, or any of the other known 'C.A.M.' practitioners.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Joe » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:27 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:30 pm
Ya see, the deal is, really, Mr. Carlson should not be expected to be factual in his statements. He's working on a higher level than mere facts. Facts aren't that important, what's important is making you 'think harder.' So instead of calling it trolling via disinformation, we're going to call it 'provocative things that will help me think harder.'

'Fox News lawyer tells judge that Tucker Carlson's audience doesn't expect him to report the facts'
An attorney for Fox News told a New York federal judge at a preliminary hearing that Tucker Carlson's audience does not expect him to report the facts — even when Carlson tells his audience that he is doing so.

And the attorney further argued that Carlson has no duty to look into whether his statements are truthful.

"What we're talking about here, it's not the front page of the New York Times," Erin Murphy, the attorney, said. "It's 'Tucker Carlson Tonight,' which is a commentary show."

The statements come amid a slander lawsuit brought against the right-leaning network by Karen McDougal, the former Playmate model who was paid $150,000 by the National Enquirer in a "catch-and-kill" sting to silence her allegations about an affair with then-candidate Donald Trump, who at the time of the alleged incident was a reality TV competition host.

McDougal claims that Carlson defamed her on a December 2018 edition of his primetime show, at which time the host accused McDougal and Stephanie Clifford (aka Stormy Daniels) of "extorting" Trump.

"Remember the facts of the story: These are undisputed," Carlson said in the segment. "Two women approached Donald Trump and threatened to ruin his career and humiliate his family if he doesn't give them money."

"Now, that sounds like a classic case of extortion," Carlson continued. "Yet, for whatever reason, Trump caves to it, and he directs Michael Cohen to pay the ransom. Now, more than two years later, Trump is a felon for doing this. It doesn't seem to make any sense."

"Oh, but you're not a federal prosecutor on a political mission," Carlson added. "If you were a federal prosecutor on a political mission, you would construe those extortion payments as campaign contributions."

The network wants the court to throw out the case on the argument that Carlson cannot defame anyone on his show, because his viewers do not expect him to state and verify facts. That would hinder McDougal's ability to prove that Carlson acted "with malice," which is the high bar of proof she must meet as a public figure.

Murphy, the Fox attorney, told the court that Carlson simply stirs the pot on his show — and a reasonable viewer would be able to discern between his "provocative things that will help me think harder" and straight news. The network airing Carlson's show also broadcasts news programming — and the word "news" is even in its name.
That's exactly right. Carlson used to be a reporter, but he is a commentator now. There is absolutely no guarantee that a commentator is telling the truth. They aren't held to the same journalistic standards the reporters are, so their arguments should be treated the same as any random bloviator on the internet. I always cringe when someone links to an opinion piece to support their point.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:30 pm

You couldn't make it up...



... oh, hang on. :think:
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Cunt » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:54 pm

Looking into a reporter named Andy Ngo, it looks like there is some bias against him. I'm going to check his coverage of CHAZ/CHOP in a bit. Most of the close coverage I've seen so far was from antifa-friendly outlets, so this should be interesting.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:35 pm

Don't forget to check back and let us know what you found out on the Joe Rogan podcast eh?
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Cunt » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:43 pm

Mostly, it sounds like, after listening to Andy Ngo, antifa likes to obscure their identity, and dislikes having their activities filmed, or their people identified.

Didn't listen to a JRE one yet. Should I?
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:59 pm

Cunt wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:43 pm
Mostly, it sounds like, after listening to Andy Ngo, antifa likes to obscure their identity, and dislikes having their activities filmed, or their people identified.
Identified by whom, to whom, and for what purpose?


And just in case it's slipped your mind...

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Post by Cunt » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:01 pm

It did. Apologists for violence are gross to me, so must have blocked it out.

The right pretty steadily condemns violence by the alt-right. The left I've heard from leaps to apologetics instead of condemning.

Which is the way social media seems biased.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:07 pm

Cunt wrote:
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It did. Apologists for violence are gross to me, so must have blocked it out.

The right pretty steadily condemns violence by the alt-right. The left I've heard from leaps to apologetics instead of condemning.

Which is the way social media seems biased.
To that I'd just say 'Bollocks'. You're never keen to engage in discussion about what the alt-right actually stand for or the consequences of their social and political demands - and when challenged you usually fallback on pretending you don't know what alt-right means or who comes under, or puts themselves under, that banner, or how to tell a neo-nazi or a fascist from a run-of-the-mill conservative etc. When you're happy to talk about that maybe we can have a discussion about political violence.

Feel free to answer the earlier question if that helps.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Cunt » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:59 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:59 pm
Cunt wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:43 pm
Mostly, it sounds like, after listening to Andy Ngo, antifa likes to obscure their identity, and dislikes having their activities filmed, or their people identified.
Identified by whom, to whom, and for what purpose?
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Cunt » Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:08 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:07 pm
Cunt wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:01 pm
It did. Apologists for violence are gross to me, so must have blocked it out.

The right pretty steadily condemns violence by the alt-right. The left I've heard from leaps to apologetics instead of condemning.

Which is the way social media seems biased.
To that I'd just say 'Bollocks'. You're never keen to engage in discussion about what the alt-right actually stand for or the consequences of their social and political demands - and when challenged you usually fallback on pretending you don't know what alt-right means or who comes under, or puts themselves under, that banner, or how to tell a neo-nazi or a fascist from a run-of-the-mill conservative etc. When you're happy to talk about that maybe we can have a discussion about political violence.
If 'alt-right' can't be well defined, I am resistant to using it.

I mean, what if you deem an org alt-right, and I don't? Where to we sort that out? Do you have a list of alt-right, right, near-right and the matching lefts?

Or is 'alt-right' just a phrase you use to avoid the particulars of a group?

Feel free to answer the earlier question if that helps.
I'll give it a go.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by JimC » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:33 am

Cunt wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:59 pm
Identified by free-roaming citizen-journalists. To their viewership on social media platforms, for the purpose of reporting events, either wonderful well-organized protest or riot.
AKA right-wing trolls...
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