Media Bias

[Cunt]

Keeping in mind that you also regard Rudy Giuliani as convincing

I still find him a lot more convincing than you, when running up against your bias.

He still hasn't convinced me to buy a cigar though. I would still roll my own, before trusting his 'trusted vendor'.

Also, I know you don't believe that trust in media has been ruined by their bias and poor coverups of their friends, but others continue to observe reality. Even with charts.
https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisi ... 283a9.html

By the numbers: For the first time ever, fewer than half of all Americans have trust in traditional media, according to data from Edelman's annual trust barometer shared exclusively with Axios. Trust in social media has hit an all-time low of 27%.

56% of Americans agree with the statement that "Journalists and reporters are purposely trying to mislead people by saying things they know are false or gross exaggerations."
58% think that "most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an ideology or political position than with informing the public."
When Edelman re-polled Americans after the election, the figures had deteriorated even further, with 57% of Democrats trusting the media and only 18% of Republicans.

At least most Americans are seeing what's up with those 'journalists'.

[Hermit]

I know you don't believe that trust in media has been ruined by their bias and poor coverups of their friends, but others continue to observe reality. Even with charts.
https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisi ... 283a9.html

By the numbers: For the first time ever, fewer than half of all Americans have trust in traditional media, according to data from Edelman's annual trust barometer shared exclusively with Axios. Trust in social media has hit an all-time low of 27%.

56% of Americans agree with the statement that "Journalists and reporters are purposely trying to mislead people by saying things they know are false or gross exaggerations."
58% think that "most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an ideology or political position than with informing the public."
When Edelman re-polled Americans after the election, the figures had deteriorated even further, with 57% of Democrats trusting the media and only 18% of Republicans.

At least most Americans are seeing what's up with those 'journalists'.

LOL. The source you quote does say "Media trust hits new low". I readily believe it. Axios is a reputable pollster.

Is this some sort of delayed reaction to being caught out using a faked document purportedly showing that "Only government is less trustworthy than journalists."?

[Cunt]

Not at all, just a steady distrust I have had of the wealthy steering opinions to serve them.

Like thinking that censors don't have my best interest in mind, or thinking that government which regularly abuses their power, should not be granted more power.

Or noting which kinds of bullshit a given person notices, while seeing other flavours go by unopposed.

[Hermit]

Or noting which kinds of bullshit a given person notices, while seeing other flavours go by unopposed.

I must admit that I have caught myself out doing exactly that. Other people have caught me out as well. I am pleased to have been caught out. It removes errors and improves knowledge. That said, some people here are better at ignoring facts because they don't suit than I.

[Cunt]

Or noting which kinds of bullshit a given person notices, while seeing other flavours go by unopposed.

I must admit that I have caught myself out doing exactly that. Other people have caught me out as well. I am pleased to have been caught out. It removes errors and improves knowledge. That said, some people here are better at ignoring facts because they don't suit than I.

You can pedant about my clear errors, but then no comment on some dudes' white paper on network enabled anarchy.

Funny.

[L'Emmerdeur]

These horrible social media/tech companies are just using 'encouraging and planning violence' as an excuse for repressing conservative voices.

'"Not A Close Call": Court Strikes Down Parler's Request Asking Amazon To Put Site Back Online'

A federal judge denied Parler's attempt to force Amazon Web Services to put its site back online while a lawsuit against the company is ongoing, saying Thursday that the right-wing social messaging platform has "fallen far short" of demonstrating its legal claims will succeed.

...

"Parler has proffered only faint and factually inaccurate speculation" to justify its antitrust claims, the judge wrote, and "has failed to raise more than the scantest speculation that AWS's actions were taken for an improper purpose or by improper means."

"The likelihood of Parler prevailing on its claims is not a close call," Rothstein wrote, saying Parler's claims "at this time are both inaccurate and unsupported, and are disputed by evidence submitted by AWS."

"The Court explicitly rejects any suggestion" by Parler that AWS is obligated "to host the kind of abusive, violent content at issue in this case, particularly in light of the recent riots at the U.S. Capitol," Rothstein wrote. "That event was a tragic reminder that inflammatory rhetoric can--more swiftly and easily than many of us would have hoped--turn a lawful protest into a violent insurrection."

[Hermit]

Or noting which kinds of bullshit a given person notices, while seeing other flavours go by unopposed.

I must admit that I have caught myself out doing exactly that. Other people have caught me out as well. I am pleased to have been caught out. It removes errors and improves knowledge. That said, some people here are better at ignoring facts because they don't suit than I.

You can pedant about my clear errors, but then no comment on some dudes' white paper on network enabled anarchy.

Funny.

Your trains of thought travel in peculiar directions.

Anyway, Voice of America, which is funded by the United States Congress, spared the need for me to comment on it. Via Wikipedia:

A September 2020 report by the Network Contagion Research Institute and researchers at Rutgers University found that some left-wing movements, including antifa, associated in "fringe online forums", posted dehumanizing memes about police, used violent rhetoric and coordinated riot activity. Voice of America summarized the report as stating that "far-left movements such as antifa, while decentralized and seen as less lethal than their counterparts on the far right, are just as capable of turning peaceful protests into violent confrontations with law enforcement". According to Voice of America, "the Justice Department has not charged any left-wing groups in connection with the civil unrest, and extremism experts say while the threat of violence from antifa is real, organized groups on the far right pose a greater threat of violence." Josh Lipowsky, a senior research analyst with the Counter Extremism Project, stated that "the decentralized antifa movement poses a lesser threat than the better organized groups on the far right."

[Cunt]

A greater threat of violence?

That was in Sept. 2020 right?

How many deaths from MLM riots vs the number from the right-wing riot (insurrection attempt?)

But with the media playing supporting roles for some violent groups, it could be framed a lot of ways.

[Hermit]

A greater threat of violence?

That was in Sept. 2020 right?

How many deaths from MLM riots vs the number from the right-wing riot (insurrection attempt?)

But with the media playing supporting roles for some violent groups, it could be framed a lot of ways.

Yes, and the Voice of America, being funded by Congress, would be the most likely medium to hush up the danger created by discrete antifa groups organising violence via Militant Anarcho-Socialist Networks.

[L'Emmerdeur]

The frame is important, isn't it? A photographer can make a sewer look beautiful if he chooses just the right frame. The contents of the frame can and do stand on their own; the context outside the frame becomes irrelevant. Inside the frame, beauty, while the context provides sights and scents that would challenge strong stomachs.

The photographer's motive is clear--seeking and finding beauty in an incongruous context.

Framing is a powerful technique, but it isn't necessarily useful in getting a comprehensive and accurate grasp of the wider lay of the land.

I think the motive behind this is dubious at best: Posit a spurious equivalence between A, an instance of mob violence and B, a month's-long nationwide protest in which several hundred thousand citizens participated, almost all of them entirely peacefully.

Perhaps what I'm meant to encounter in that frame is a mirror, and in that mirror I will see a hypocrite who mindlessly condemns a patriotic attempt to restore democracy while approving of murderous social justice warriors and their enforcers on an extended rampage. The smoke will clear and at last I'll understand Baked Alaska's transcendent righteousness.

I know I'm overthinking this. Really it's a closer match to Rudy Giuliani's self-righteous lawyerly fart in testimony.

[Hermit]

This seems to fit much of what you were saying:

[Cunt]

Yes, that's how Antifa rioters are painted (in mainstream media) as 'mostly peaceful protestors'.

Billions in damage, dozens dead, and white nationalists are the serious threat to watch...

[Sean Hayden]

Yep, and they have been for yonks now. I recommend a good introduction to the topic like Terrorism: An Introduction https://www.amazon.com/Terrorism-Introd ... 0534573312, or it looks like he's got a newer text: Terrorism and Homeland Security that covers the same material https://www.amazon.com/Terrorism-Homela ... 1305633776

[BarnettNewman]

Yes, that's how Antifa rioters are painted (in mainstream media) as 'mostly peaceful protestors'.

Billions in damage, dozens dead, and white nationalists are the serious threat to watch...

Who Are Antifa, and Are They a Threat? | Center for Strategic and International Studies

While it is difficult to assess with fidelity the identity or ideology of many of the looters, my conversations with law enforcement and intelligence officials in multiple U.S. cities suggest that Antifa played a minor role in violence. The vast majority of looting appeared to come from local opportunists with no affiliation and no political objectives. Most were common criminals.

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[JimC]

Yes, that's how Antifa rioters are painted (in mainstream media) as 'mostly peaceful protestors'.

Billions in damage, dozens dead, and white nationalists are the serious threat to watch...

Who Are Antifa, and Are They a Threat? | Center for Strategic and International Studies

While it is difficult to assess with fidelity the identity or ideology of many of the looters, my conversations with law enforcement and intelligence officials in multiple U.S. cities suggest that Antifa played a minor role in violence. The vast majority of looting appeared to come from local opportunists with no affiliation and no political objectives. Most were common criminals.

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That's exactly as I've heard it. Most antifa actions involve showing up to neo-nazi parades and being confrontational. They are mostly a reactive rather than a proactive force...