Media Bias

Post Reply
User avatar
L'Emmerdeur
Posts: 3268
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:04 pm
About me: Yuh wust nightmaya!
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:31 am

You know how the US treated prisoners at Abu Ghraib and other sites where the CIA held people known or suspected of being involved in the insurgency in Iraq: outright abuse and torture. Many Americans found that highly repugnant, but there are always some that are happy to have their government use its power to stomp and mangle -- common humanity and international accords be damned.

One of Fox News's prominent Trump cultists believes his Dear Leader should enact the Bush-era torture protocols domestically against those he views as undesirables. And why not? What's the good of turning the US into the richest banana republic in the world if you can't torture citizens who've brought themselves to the attention of the federal Special Squads and regular law enforcement? Don't you dare call it fascism!!

The perpetually concerned chunk of vomitus Tucker Carlson gets mention in the piece as well, teeing up a question which provided the acting head of the Department of Homeland Security with an opportunity to muse about locking up demonstrators for unspecified 'conspiracy' charges.

'Fox News Host Brian Kilmeade: We Need to "Interrogate" Antifa Like We Did to Al Qaeda'
Fox News host Brian Kilmeade ramped up the network’s rhetoric against protesters against police brutality on Tuesday, calling for law enforcement to lock up left-wing activists and “interrogate them almost like you would al Qaeda.”

With protests flaring up over the Labor Day weekend—some featuring violent clashes between far-right, pro-Trump groups and antifa, the loosely affiliated, leftist anti-fascist movement—Kilmeade appeared Tuesday morning on the Fox Business Network to demand more action against antifa protesters.

“We’ve seen over 100 days of protests in Portland,” Fox Business host Ashley Webster wondered aloud. “It has been another weekend of violent protests in Seattle. The Michigan GOP headquarters building was vandalized with anti-police statements. I want to know, it becomes increasingly frustrating, when does this end?”

Kilmeade, meanwhile, immediately replied that the demonstrations could come to an end when police officers “are empowered to stop it” and mayors use federal resources to combat it. At the same time, he called for protesters to be treated as enemy combatants of the state while implying that they should be tortured.

“When we start convincing these antifa—these law enforcement officials to not let the antifa individuals go,” the Fox & Friends co-host exclaimed. “Sit there, lock them up, and interrogate them, almost like you would al Qaeda because they are undermining our country the same way these Islamist extremists were doing it.”

“We were dead serious about that,” he continued. “We’re not dead serious about this.”

Kilmeade calling for enhanced interrogation techniques on American protesters comes on the heels of Fox News star Tucker Carlson’s months-long campaign to push the Trump administration to designate social justice movement Black Lives Matter and antifa as domestic terror organizations.
The US is blessed to have such a beacon of patriotism and righteousness as Fox News to remind the world of all that is good and just about America.

User avatar
Brian Peacock
Tipping cows since 1946
Posts: 28723
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:44 am
About me: Ablate me:
Location: Location: Location:
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:56 pm

I somehow doubt they'd be quite so eager for the gov to 'interrogate' right-wing and white-supremecist seditionists - you know, the one's who've killed more than 300 US citizens since 9/11.
Rationalia relies on voluntary donations. There is no obligation of course, but if you value this place and want to see it continue please consider making a small donation towards the forum's running costs.
Details on how to do that can be found here.

.

"It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice.
There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia."

Frank Zappa

"This is how humanity ends; bickering over the irrelevant."
Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
.

User avatar
Brian Peacock
Tipping cows since 1946
Posts: 28723
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:44 am
About me: Ablate me:
Location: Location: Location:
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:05 am

55mins.

Rationalia relies on voluntary donations. There is no obligation of course, but if you value this place and want to see it continue please consider making a small donation towards the forum's running costs.
Details on how to do that can be found here.

.

"It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice.
There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia."

Frank Zappa

"This is how humanity ends; bickering over the irrelevant."
Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
.

User avatar
Brian Peacock
Tipping cows since 1946
Posts: 28723
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:44 am
About me: Ablate me:
Location: Location: Location:
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:04 pm

Rationalia relies on voluntary donations. There is no obligation of course, but if you value this place and want to see it continue please consider making a small donation towards the forum's running costs.
Details on how to do that can be found here.

.

"It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice.
There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia."

Frank Zappa

"This is how humanity ends; bickering over the irrelevant."
Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
.

User avatar
L'Emmerdeur
Posts: 3268
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:04 pm
About me: Yuh wust nightmaya!
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:40 pm

An outstanding legal victory! Fox News won in the defamation case brought by Karen McDougal (one of Trump's mistresses). Tucker Carlson had told malicious lies about her on his show, which is defamation, as it's generally understood. However, the Fox News white-shoe legal team successfully argued that no reasonable person expects Tucker Carlson to tell the truth on any given day, even when he says something like 'the following are undisputed facts.' (Though the story below fails to note it, that is how Carlson introduced his lies.)

Since Carlson is acknowledged by all as a purveyor of falsehoods (not the words of the Fox News legal team, but the essence of their argument), McDougal was not substantially harmed by the lies he told about her. Ruling from a Trump judge. Yay, Tucker Carlson! Yay Fox News. :lol:

'Judge Throws Out Ex-Playboy Playmate’s Lawsuit Against Fox News: Tucker Carlson Didn’t Defame Karen McDougal'
A federal judge dismissed former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal’s lawsuit against Fox News. The lawsuit alleged that on-air comments from host Tucker Carlson, such as “Now that sounds like a classic case of extortion,” were defamatory. The judge said Carlson’s statement amounted to rhetorical hyperbole and “opinion commentary intended to frame a political debate.”

U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil, a Trump appointee, said in an order summarized on the Southern District of New York docket that McDougal’s amended complaint offered “only conclusory allegations about Mr. Carlson’s alleged biases and otherwise pursues theories that are pre-empted by long-standing precedent.”

...

A lawyer for McDougal argued in court documents that Carlson defamed his client when he accused her of orchestrating a shakedown by “approach[ing] Donald Trump and threaten[ing] to ruin his career and humiliate his family if he doesn’t give them money.” The attorney argued that Trump “never once claimed that he was extorted.”

Judge Vyskocil ruled that McDougal did not offer a “plausible” argument that Carlson’s words were “statements of fact”

User avatar
Brian Peacock
Tipping cows since 1946
Posts: 28723
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:44 am
About me: Ablate me:
Location: Location: Location:
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:46 pm

If Carlson said "the following are undisputed facts" and the case still wasn't upheld then it seems pretty open and shut - everyone can call Tucker a liar with impunity.
Rationalia relies on voluntary donations. There is no obligation of course, but if you value this place and want to see it continue please consider making a small donation towards the forum's running costs.
Details on how to do that can be found here.

.

"It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice.
There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia."

Frank Zappa

"This is how humanity ends; bickering over the irrelevant."
Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
.

User avatar
L'Emmerdeur
Posts: 3268
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:04 pm
About me: Yuh wust nightmaya!
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:49 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:46 pm
If Carlson said "the following are undisputed facts" and the case still wasn't upheld then it seems pretty open and shut - everyone can call Tucker a liar with impunity.
I don't have a clip queued up but in another article about this ruling, there is a direct quote from Carlson's show:
[I]n the portion of the monologue that McDougal alleged is defamatory, Carlson explicitly said: “Remember the facts of the story. These are undisputed.” Again, the remarks were clearly couched to make it clear they were not opinion, but facts.
Last edited by L'Emmerdeur on Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Brian Peacock
Tipping cows since 1946
Posts: 28723
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:44 am
About me: Ablate me:
Location: Location: Location:
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:59 pm

He's a lair. A big, fat, pants-on-fire liar for cash. No doubt he'll claim the judgement is an endorsement of the 'facts'.
Rationalia relies on voluntary donations. There is no obligation of course, but if you value this place and want to see it continue please consider making a small donation towards the forum's running costs.
Details on how to do that can be found here.

.

"It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice.
There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia."

Frank Zappa

"This is how humanity ends; bickering over the irrelevant."
Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
.

User avatar
L'Emmerdeur
Posts: 3268
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:04 pm
About me: Yuh wust nightmaya!
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:14 pm

Oh yeah. In Trumpistan, Tucker Carlson and Fox News have been vindicated.

User avatar
Sean Hayden
Microagressor
Posts: 13398
Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:55 pm
About me: philobarbaros
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:26 pm

I can't stand how it's being spun as a win because Fox, yet again, had to admit they lie for a living.

The real story is the stupid ruling, dear god it's bad.
The primary product of pine is pineapple.

User avatar
Brian Peacock
Tipping cows since 1946
Posts: 28723
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:44 am
About me: Ablate me:
Location: Location: Location:
Contact:

Re: Media Bias

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:09 am

You get what you pay for I guess.
Rationalia relies on voluntary donations. There is no obligation of course, but if you value this place and want to see it continue please consider making a small donation towards the forum's running costs.
Details on how to do that can be found here.

.

"It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice.
There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia."

Frank Zappa

"This is how humanity ends; bickering over the irrelevant."
Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests