Huddersfield rape gang get a total of 220 years

[Jason]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_P ... xual_abuse

I'm just going to quote this again as it seems to have been ignored by the fine gentlemen defenders of Islam here. Child rape is a major ongoing problem in Pakistan, which is an Islamic country. I'm not saying it was Islam, but it was Islam.

If it were Islam the cause, why is child rape so prevalent in South Africa and India.

Also noteworthy:

With regards to females, seven countries reported prevalence rates [of child sexual abuse] as being more than one fifth i.e., 37.8% in Australia, 32.2% in Costa Rica, 31% in Tanzania, 30.7% in Israel, 28.1% in Sweden, 25.3% in the US, and 24.2% in Switzerland

Islamic countries, are they?

And fuck off with the "defenders of Islam" shit already. Speaking for myself, I am no apologist for any religion, least of all Islam.

Who says child abuse is an exclusively Muslim problem? This is a total non sequitur Hermit.

No, it's not. You argued that child rape in Pakistan is so prevalent because of Islam. If that were the case you'd expect a much smaller incidence in countries where Islam is not dominant, wouldn't you? Why is that not the case?

Now have a look at Turkey. An estimated 99.8% of its population is Muslim. In 2016 its President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, proposed a Bill that would pardon men convicted of sex with underage girls if they have married them. Thousands of Muslims have taken to the streets of Istanbul and other cities in Turkey in protest against the Bill. Erdogan's party has enough seats in parliament to easily enact any Bill as law, but the popular outrage by Muslims was strong enough for this onel to be canned. Do you want to blame Islam for that result too?

From the wiki: Child sexual abuse is widespread in Pakistani Islamic schools.[45] In a study of child sexual abuse in Rawalpindi and Islamabad, out of a sample of 300 children 17% claimed to have been abused and in 1997 one child a day was reported as raped, gang raped or kidnapped for sexual gratification

Perhaps it's a Pakistani-Islamic confluence that produces child rapists in abundance, perhaps it's something in the water, but the facts on the ground are what they are and the place of origin of these perpetrators (with its culture and religion) is not irrelevant.

[Hermit]

I don't have patience for this Hermit. The fact is the dudes are of Pakistani origin and Islamic. The other salient fact is that in Pakistani culture, child rape is a huge problem. Pretending the culture of their place of origin is irrelevant to their actions is total horseshit.

Nothing wrong with the facts you cite, but they don't lead to the conclusion that Islam is responsible for child rapes.

You suffer from confirmation bias, the tendency to search for, interpret, favour, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.

Here's an example: Someone says "Islam is the cause of child rape. Look at Pakistan. 96.4% of its population is Muslim. Lots of child rape. Hypothesis confirmed."

I cited counter-examples. 1) South Africa is a country with rampant child rape, but Muslims are for all intents and purposes non-existent. 2) Turkey, the population of which is 99.8% Muslim, is vehemently opposed to child rape. Two examples destroying your assertion that Islam is to blame for child rape, but I guess your confirmation bias is too strong to let contrary facts get in the way of your prejudice.

[Scot Dutchy]

So the position of women in islam has no influence what so ever? Pull the other one it has bells on.

Islam and Women

Those girls were not considered women. White sex slaves would be nearer.

[Jason]

Well, Hermit, in the wiki article I linked to it shows 17% of students surveyed from Islamic schools, Islamic mind you, have been abused. As I said, I'm open to the possibility that there might be a confluence of factors at work there, but there's no denying that Islam plays a role.

I think you're too quick to toe the PC line and defend Islam. If it were Roman Catholic schools surveyed and 17% of students there reported being victims of sexual abuse do you think you'd be so quick to defend the Roman Catholic Church, or would you hold them to, at least, be complicit in the abuse?

[Jason]

So the position of women in islam has no influence what so ever? Pull the other one it has bells on.

Islam and Women

Those girls were not considered women. White sex slaves would be nearer.

There you go bringing the facts into it! This is a political issue damn it!

[Hermit]

Well, Hermit, in the wiki article I linked to it shows 17% of students surveyed from Islamic schools, Islamic mind you, have been abused.

I think you're too quick to toe the PC line and defend Islam.

Like I noted above, confirmation bias invincible in you is, young padawan.

Also noteworthy:

With regards to females, seven countries reported prevalence rates [of child sexual abuse] as being more than one fifth i.e., 37.8% in Australia, 32.2% in Costa Rica, 31% in Tanzania, 30.7% in Israel, 28.1% in Sweden, 25.3% in the US, and 24.2% in Switzerland

Islamic countries, are they?

And fuck off with the "defenders of Islam" shit already. Speaking for myself, I am no apologist for any religion, least of all Islam.

[Rum]

Some people want simple answers and ones which confirm their prejudices it seems.

[Jason]

Well, Hermit, in the wiki article I linked to it shows 17% of students surveyed from Islamic schools, Islamic mind you, have been abused.

I think you're too quick to toe the PC line and defend Islam.

Like I noted above, confirmation bias invincible in you is, young padawan.

Also noteworthy:

With regards to females, seven countries reported prevalence rates [of child sexual abuse] as being more than one fifth i.e., 37.8% in Australia, 32.2% in Costa Rica, 31% in Tanzania, 30.7% in Israel, 28.1% in Sweden, 25.3% in the US, and 24.2% in Switzerland

Islamic countries, are they?

And fuck off with the "defenders of Islam" shit already. Speaking for myself, I am no apologist for any religion, least of all Islam.

They're Islamic schools in an Islamic country FFS. If you want to claim it isn't Islam, fine, but explain to me what it is that motivates the child molesters in Pakistan if it isn't Islam.

[Hermit]

Some people want simple answers and ones which confirm their prejudices it seems.

Yep. And the post below yours makes it abundantly clear that this discussion with Śiva is like attempting to conduct a debate with a brick wall. Nothing gets through. Not the concept of confirmation bias, not an example of it and not countervailing arguments that include the relevant facts necessary for support. Think I'll just leave him at the mercy of his seemingly wilful ignorance for now. Time for a bit of shuteye anyway. Sunrise in 2.5 hours.

[Scot Dutchy]

Some people want simple answers and ones which confirm their prejudices it seems.

Yep. And the post below yours makes it abundantly clear that this discussion with Śiva is like attempting to conduct a debate with a brick wall. Nothing gets through. Not the concept of confirmation bias, not an example of it and not countervailing arguments that include the relevant facts necessary for support. Think I'll just leave him at the mercy of his seemingly wilful ignorance for now. Time for a bit of shuteye anyway. Sunrise in 2.5 hours.

How very PC. Of course islam was involved. Just read the koran.

[Jason]

Some people want simple answers and ones which confirm their prejudices it seems.

Yep. And the post below yours makes it abundantly clear that this discussion with Śiva is like attempting to conduct a debate with a brick wall. Nothing gets through. Not the concept of confirmation bias, not an example of it and not countervailing arguments that include the relevant facts necessary for support. Think I'll just leave him at the mercy of his seemingly wilful ignorance for now. Time for a bit of shuteye anyway. Sunrise in 2.5 hours.

OK, Hermit, if you're determined to be obtuse and take this line then fine, but if you wish to substantiate your argument, if it can be called an argument, explain to me how pointing out that child molestation occurs in non-Muslim countries weakens my claim that there is something in the Pakistani culture which foments the same?

[Cunt]

Defending Islam is a hobby of the 'white guilt' brigade. It's hilarious to me because of how firmly Islam defends their right to squash human rights wherever they are found.

[Svartalf]

Some people want simple answers and ones which confirm their prejudices it seems.

Yep. And the post below yours makes it abundantly clear that this discussion with Śiva is like attempting to conduct a debate with a brick wall. Nothing gets through. Not the concept of confirmation bias, not an example of it and not countervailing arguments that include the relevant facts necessary for support. Think I'll just leave him at the mercy of his seemingly wilful ignorance for now. Time for a bit of shuteye anyway. Sunrise in 2.5 hours.

How very PC. Of course islam was involved. Just read the koran.

How much you paying for people to waste valuable time of their lives studying that tripe?

[Cunt]

Some people want simple answers and ones which confirm their prejudices it seems.

Diversity is a strength. You should stop being so exclusively white/western, and submit already.

[Svartalf]

I"m quite satisfied with being a Western white and would be even more satisfied if my Western white country were not sullied by so many coloureds who don't subscribe to our culture.