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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:51 pm

But I'm an avowed anti-fascist.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Cunt » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:36 pm

I've never met anyone in favour of fascism.

Of course, I've found LOTS of people who like to toss out accusations of fascism...what's funny is what Tyrannical pointed out. The 'anti-fascists' seldom take shots at China, instead preferring the freest countries on earth for their brave words and protests.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:52 pm

Cunt wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:17 pm
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:13 pm
You haven't seen dishonesty because you haven't looked.
So go look at todays video, and tell me about the dishonest part.

Or keep hurling incoherent insults. That is fun, too.
The available evidence shows that O'Keefe and his posse use dishonest tactics and produce dishonest material. Far from being proponents of the truth regardless of whom it burns, they accepted money from Trump to produce a deceptive hit-piece.

Fortunately for your hero-worship, the evidence of O'Keefe and company's dishonesty is largely available from the Enemies of the People, so you can hand-wave it away. I assume you also happily ignore O'Keefe's criminal conviction for entry by false pretenses and the $100,000 settlement he was forced to pay for his dishonesty (portraying the complainant in a false light and filming the complainant without complainant's knowledge) in his bogus 'sting' of ACORN. The courts must be biased against honest crusaders for truth and justice.

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Cunt » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:00 pm

Entry by false pretenses? What has that got to do with the Antifa infiltration video?

Or is it too upsetting to deal with the reality of his expose?
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:54 pm

Under Trump's leadership, the authoritarian/anti-democratic element in the Republican Party has been ascendant, and apparently at least some of them are now ready to come right out and proclaim their disaffection from values that are supposedly at the heart of the American experiment.

'New Trump Appointee to Foreign Aid Agency Has Denounced Liberal Democracy and “Our Homo-Empire”'
A new Trump appointee to the United States’ foreign aid agency has a history of online posts denouncing liberal democracy and has said that the country is in the clutches of a “homo-empire” that pushes a “tyrannical LGBT agenda.”

In one post, Merritt Corrigan, who recently took up a position as deputy White House liaison at the U.S. Agency for International Development, wrote: “Liberal democracy is little more than a front for the war being waged against us by those who fundamentally despise not only our way of life, but life itself.”

Corrigan’s new position in the Trump administration, confirmed by two officials, has not been previously reported.

Corrigan previously worked for the Hungarian Embassy in the United States and tweeted that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban is “the shining champion of Western civilization,” Politico reported last year. An embassy spokesman, Béla Gedeon, said Corrigan left her position there in mid-April.

Orban, a far-right politician, has cracked down on civil society, academic freedom and other liberties.

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Her stated positions put her directly at odds with the stated goals of her new employer. USAID uses a “liberal democracy index” as one of its metrics in deciding whether a country is self-reliant, and it has an entire office dedicated to gender equality and women’s empowerment. The agency’s website says it is working for a world in which LGBT people are “respected and able to live with dignity, free from discrimination, persecution, and violence.”

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Post by blindfaith » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:34 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:54 pm
Under Trump's leadership, the authoritarian/anti-democratic element in the Republican Party has been ascendant, and apparently at least some of them are now ready to come right out and proclaim their disaffection from values that are supposedly at the heart of the American experiment.

'New Trump Appointee to Foreign Aid Agency Has Denounced Liberal Democracy and “Our Homo-Empire”'
A new Trump appointee to the United States’ foreign aid agency has a history of online posts denouncing liberal democracy and has said that the country is in the clutches of a “homo-empire” that pushes a “tyrannical LGBT agenda.”

In one post, Merritt Corrigan, who recently took up a position as deputy White House liaison at the U.S. Agency for International Development, wrote: “Liberal democracy is little more than a front for the war being waged against us by those who fundamentally despise not only our way of life, but life itself.”

Corrigan’s new position in the Trump administration, confirmed by two officials, has not been previously reported.

Corrigan previously worked for the Hungarian Embassy in the United States and tweeted that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban is “the shining champion of Western civilization,” Politico reported last year. An embassy spokesman, Béla Gedeon, said Corrigan left her position there in mid-April.

Orban, a far-right politician, has cracked down on civil society, academic freedom and other liberties.

...

Her stated positions put her directly at odds with the stated goals of her new employer. USAID uses a “liberal democracy index” as one of its metrics in deciding whether a country is self-reliant, and it has an entire office dedicated to gender equality and women’s empowerment. The agency’s website says it is working for a world in which LGBT people are “respected and able to live with dignity, free from discrimination, persecution, and violence.”

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In October, Corrigan wrote an op-ed in The Conservative Woman, a London publication, decrying “the false song of feminism” and calling for women to take up traditional roles of mother, wife and homemaker.

“A woman today is expected by society to come to marriage and motherhood in physical and spiritual decline, if ever,” she wrote. “This is the life women have been offered by those who would rather us toil away as isolated economic units for faceless corporations, far from the natural pleasures of the domestic, far from the guardianship of a loving husband, and far from the life-giving experience of motherhood.”
Then why doesnt she give up her job and fuck off back to the kitchen where she clearly believes she belongs?
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Seabass » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:25 pm

and has said that the country is in the clutches of a “homo-empire” that pushes a “tyrannical LGBT agenda.”
Lmao. Homo-empires are the best empires.
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Post by JimC » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:08 pm

She would fit right in to a country like Saudi...
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:40 pm

Cunt wrote:I've never met anyone in favour of fascism.

Of course, I've found LOTS of people who like to toss out accusations of fascism...what's funny is what Tyrannical pointed out. The 'anti-fascists' seldom take shots at China, instead preferring the freest countries on earth for their brave words and protests.
So people shouldn't protest against fascists in their own communities unless they've first travelled to China and protested there first. OK, I suppose that makes total sense, somewhere.
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Post by Cunt » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:25 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:40 pm
Cunt wrote:I've never met anyone in favour of fascism.

Of course, I've found LOTS of people who like to toss out accusations of fascism...what's funny is what Tyrannical pointed out. The 'anti-fascists' seldom take shots at China, instead preferring the freest countries on earth for their brave words and protests.
So people shouldn't protest against fascists in their own communities unless they've first travelled to China and protested there first. OK, I suppose that makes total sense, somewhere.
Most of the 'anti-fascists' can't even define fascism clearly enough to suit use by anyone outside of themselves. They seem to just use the label as a way to get violent with people disagreeing with them.

You are welcome to have a go at defining it, if you are part of antifa, but I doubt you will. It's an excuse, so clarity would work against antifa.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:55 pm

Oh look, the 'nobody know what it means' canard again. One can turn to the dictionary if in any doubt about what fascism is and/or what characterises it, but Robert Paxton described it as "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques for an anti-liberal, anti-socialist, violently exclusionary, expansionist nationalist agenda." If you're really interested in what fascism espouses and encapsulates you could start with Umberto Eco's 1995 essay 'Ur-Fascism' (pdf).

Of course, it's easier to simply say that anti-fascist are just disagreeable people. It's a character assessment which implies that they're just unpleasant, intolerant, and bad-tempered. But one only relies on that as a description of anti-facists if one is uninterested in thinking about what, and whom, anti-fascists actually oppose and disagree with - or if one is interested in avoiding talking about such things.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Cunt » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:19 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Oh look, the 'nobody know what it means' canard again.
Not at all, BP. I was asking what it meant to YOU.
One can turn to the dictionary if in any doubt
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality

So we could look to each of the 50 states, and rate them as to which are more, or less fascist. Interesting. At a glance, the more severe economic and social regimentation seems to be on the left states...forcible suppression of opposition sounds like the antifa tactics around speakers they deem unacceptable.

Thanks for suggesting the dictionary. It turns a lot of the 'antifa' bullshit into the fog it was meant to be, leaving clarity to identify where fascism is, and which governors are more, or less fascist.
about what fascism is and/or what characterises it, but Robert Paxton described it as "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques for an anti-liberal, anti-socialist, violently exclusionary, expansionist nationalist agenda." If you're really interested in what fascism espouses and encapsulates you could start with Umberto Eco's 1995 essay 'Ur-Fascism' (pdf).
No thanks, I'll stick with the dictionary. There are a lot of more verbose bits of writing which could make any point you wanted, but knowing which are fascists and why is enough.

Of course, it's easier to simply say that anti-fascist are just disagreeable people. It's a character assessment which implies that they're just unpleasant, intolerant, and bad-tempered. But one only relies on that as a description of anti-facists if one is uninterested in thinking about what, and whom, anti-fascists actually oppose and disagree with - or if one is interested in avoiding talking about such things.
Disagreeable is good. Using violence or silencing tactics against political speech is not good.

Fascists would silence opposition. Non-fascists would answer bad speech with better speech instead.

Nice and clear now, which states are more fascist in their execution? (next we'll see which are republican-led, and which are democrat-led)
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:48 pm

What about political ideas that advocate racial purity, demand the exclusion or eradication of degenerate races and dissenting viewpoints, and propose the use of violence to achieve those ends? Is that the kind of political speech that should be given a platform, or even appeased?
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Cunt » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:55 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:48 pm
What about political ideas that advocate racial purity, demand the exclusion or eradication of degenerate races and dissenting viewpoints, and propose the use of violence to achieve those ends? Is that the kind of political speech that should be given a platform, or even appeased?
Are you proposing that?

Or is someone else?

Political ideas are almost always forbidden in some countries with high levels of fascism. Almost always allowed in the freest countries. Between the two there is a lot of grey...but maybe you are talking about a specific group.
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