"The butt of global jokes": who might this be? (Talk Trump)

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Post by Svartalf » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:20 am

You mean, like, in Afghanistan, back when the US backed the talibans, before it was realized it was fighting cholera with the black plague?
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:31 am

They sold trillions of dollars of arms to the rest of the world on the fear created by the "cold war" which was the biggest con of all times.
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Post by Seabass » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:09 am

Our greatest and most liberalest of presidents will finally put an end to the tranny menace that has threatened to destroy western civilization for decades! Heil, I mean, hail Trump for finally implementing, shall we say "a solution" of sorts, that will properly deal with these undesirables once and for all!
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‘Transgender’ Could Be Defined Out of Existence Under Trump Administration

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

A series of decisions by the Obama administration loosened the legal concept of gender in federal programs, including in education and health care, recognizing gender largely as an individual’s choice and not determined by the sex assigned at birth. The policy prompted fights over bathrooms, dormitories, single-sex programs and other arenas where gender was once seen as a simple concept. Conservatives, especially evangelical Christians, were incensed.

Now the Department of Health and Human Services is spearheading an effort to establish a legal definition of sex under Title IX, the federal civil rights law that bans gender discrimination in education programs that receive government financial assistance, according to a memo obtained by The New York Times.

The department argued in its memo that key government agencies needed to adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable.” The agency’s proposed definition would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with, according to a draft reviewed by The Times. Any dispute about one’s sex would have to be clarified using genetic testing.

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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:23 am

I must say, I've been surprised by how liberal he is. I didn't believe 42 when he said Trump was a liberal. Haven't I been proven wrong..
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Post by Tero » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:53 am

And there are prople born with no testicles, some female parts and all the wrong chromosomes to be a woman.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:42 am

They are called Intersex. They are sexual neutral. A intersex person received the first passport here with an X in the gender description.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:33 am

I struggle to understand why gender is such a bee-bonnet issue for some - why they're so affronted by the notion that someone else might be uncomfortable with a descriptor that they feel doesn't apply to them?
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Post by Tero » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:50 am

The Bible. No abnormals in the Bible. Other than Paul was gay.
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:56 am

and Jesus was or wasn't wedded to Mary the Magdalene, but since there are no reliable sources to tell us, we'll never know, what's for sure is that he bilked wealthy widows of their extra cash...
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Post by Tero » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:07 pm

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Post by Forty Two » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:55 pm

Regarding the HHS memo and gender - has anyone seen the HHS memo itself? Interesting that the articles on the topic don't link to the HHS memo they're reporting on.

Anyway - going by the NY Times article - note the following:
Sex means a person’s status as male or female based on immutable biological traits identifiable by or before birth,” the department proposed in the memo, which was drafted and has been circulating since last spring. “The sex listed on a person’s birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person’s sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence.”

The new definition would essentially eradicate federal recognition of the estimated 1.4 million Americans who have opted to recognize themselves — surgically or otherwise — as a gender other than the one they were born into.
Sex and gender are not the same thing.

While HHS officials declined to explicitly comment on the memo to the Times, they did cite a 2016 federal court ruling on a civil rights statute in the Affordable Care Act as the basis for their position. In that case, Judge Reed O’Connor of the Federal District Court in Fort Worth, Texas, ruled that “Congress did not understand ‘sex’ to include ‘gender identity.’” https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... ts-745572/

Defining sex, and indicate what is proof of a person's sex does not mean that a person cannot still have a gender identity that is different from their sex.

I see this a lot in the debate. The point is made that sex and gender are different, and then the next point made involves a muddling together gender and sex. I mean, a person who is gender male can still be sex female, no?

I'm not saying the HHS is right or wrong about their definition, but it's only an HHS rule. It doesn't overrule civil rights law. It doesn't constitute a ruling related to sex discrimination lawsuits in the workplace, for example.

It sounds like people are making much ado about a fairly small thing, whipping up public outrage and fear, claiming people are all afraid they're going to be hauled away for being transgender or that they will be "defined out of existence." How can they be "defined out of existence" if the memo only relates to sex, and not gender?
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:01 pm

From the reporting it is evident that the Trump administration (which has already rolled back federal initiatives to eliminate discrimination against transgender people) is considering a further step in this regressive direction. The phrase below in bold is 'explicit' in this regard. We don't know whether the reporting is accurate or not. However the reported content of the memo is undeniably in keeping with the Trump administration's record on this issue.
The department argued in its memo that key government agencies needed to adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable.”
The article quotes Roger Severino, whom the Trump administration installed as the director of the Office for Civil Rights at Health and Human Services. Severino has been rather outspoken in his opposition to efforts to eliminate discrimination against transgender people.
Mr. Severino, while serving as the head of the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society at the Heritage Foundation, was among the conservatives who blanched at the Obama administration’s expansion of sex to include gender identity, which he called “radical gender ideology.”

In one commentary piece, he called the policies a “culmination of a series of unilateral, and frequently lawless, administration attempts to impose a new definition of what it means to be a man or a woman on the entire nation.”
If the government is considering instituting a policy in which a person's gender identity counts for nothing, in which only the biological sex they were assigned at birth will be recognized, then yes, I'd say that transgender people have reason to be concerned.

More on Roger Severino's views regarding how the government should deal with people he thinks don't fit with his 'biblical view of human sexuality.'

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Post by Tero » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:51 am

Never mind tariffs. Budgets a total mess:
Economists downplayed recent positive indicators such as low unemployment and soaring business confidence, reiterating they wouldn't last through Trump's first term. At least one expert predicted that recent slides in housing and auto sales were the first step toward a U.S. recession.


Murray Gunn, chief of global research at Elliott Wave International, told the Post, "We think the major economies are on the cusp of turning into the worst recessions we have seen in 10 years. Should the [U.S.] economy start to shrink, and our analysis suggests that it will, the high nominal levels of debt will instantly become a very big issue."
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