Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Rum » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:11 pm

I'm assuming the Soviets, queuing up for an hour for razor blades.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:32 pm

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I'm assuming the Soviets, queuing up for an hour for razor blades.
Yep great propaganda. The Cold War produced so much and of course everyone in America had health care, education for free including university and complete social care. Also of course at least two jobs.
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Post by Rum » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:37 pm

There’s no doubt there were many shortages of consumer products as well as certain foods at times. The ‘command economy’ simply isn’t very erricient in that regard. If you think the ‘propaganda’ has managed to get to pretty much any link you care to google you are even more self deluded than I thought.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:57 pm

Rum wrote:
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There’s no doubt there were many shortages of consumer products as well as certain foods at times. The ‘command economy’ simply isn’t very erricient in that regard. If you think the ‘propaganda’ has managed to get to pretty much any link you care to google you are even more self deluded than I thought.
Yep the Cold War mind set is not easy to shake off. Any data on the "command economy"? Like the data we get from the "capitalist economy"? Of course written by whom? Google is a very independent source of course and the Soviet society has disappeared.
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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Rum » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:48 pm

The SD mindset makes it a futile and pointless exercise to use actual facts to support a case. I’m out of this one. You can go aregue with yourself.

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:57 pm

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The SD mindset makes it a futile and pointless exercise to use actual facts to support a case. I’m out of this one. You can go aregue with yourself.
What facts? Written by whom in the Cold War? Man you just cant lose it can you?
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Post by Rum » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:11 pm

I’m not going to argue. You have an extraordinarily closed mind. Here’s a good balanced article about life in the USSR in the 1970s, from the Guardian, hardly a capitalist propaganda rag.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... getherness

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:40 pm

Like I said who writes them. I am not going to start a tit for tat with someone with a closed mind. America was and is a dump. For the privileged few it was/is paradise but for the vast majority it was/is a living hell. Conformity was the name of the game. Social control was everything. The American Dream. Stories like that one enforce the capitalist view.
I spoke to old East Germans in Leipzig. You get a totally different view. I know Moldavians who would gladly go back to the old days as they miss the friendship that has now been destroyed by so called western advances.
Just because we in the West were better at raping the planet did not make us any better. Another approach to society's problems would be a good thing.
Have you seen the latest inequality report? It makes sickly reading.
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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Rum » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:49 pm

See this is where your binary mindset, not to mention your rigid mindset as well as your political mindset, of course let you down. Just as you insisted for a while that I was a Brexit supporter because it fitted your conflict mindset, you believe I’m a supporter of capitalism and in your binary mindset mode set up a conflict.

I have always viewed the world of economics from a Marxist perspective (or mindset, if you will) and indeed was very hard left as a young man. I was a member for a short period of the Workers Revolutionary Party in fact.

I left for a number of reasons but one of them was that Socialist revolutionary oriented thinking believes that the end justifies the means. It was that sort of thinking that killed millions of Russians in the revolution, the chaos of social and land reform that followed it, the political persecutions (Stalin may have been the cause of us to 600,000 deaths), the more or less complete failure of the command economy model and the shutting down of creative political thought.

One assumes you think that because I turned away from the horrors of this failed attempt at socialism, I therefore think American style capitalism is the bee’s knees (there’s that binary mindset again), whereas I think it is an evil force and risks, as you point out, wrecking the planet.

I think the European model is a good one, when it works well. Capitalism is held firmly by the balls which are tightly squeezed when it gets too cocky. It is a tricky balancing act and the risk of infringing personal liberty (something I have grown to think is hugely important) is there at times, as is the risk of stifling one thing that capitalism is good at - innovation.

So stick that in your Dutch pipe and smoke it.

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

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The SD mindset makes it a futile and pointless exercise to use actual facts to support a case. I’m out of this one. You can go aregue with yourself.
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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:13 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:57 pm
Rum wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:37 pm
There’s no doubt there were many shortages of consumer products as well as certain foods at times. The ‘command economy’ simply isn’t very erricient in that regard. If you think the ‘propaganda’ has managed to get to pretty much any link you care to google you are even more self deluded than I thought.
Yep the Cold War mind set is not easy to shake off. Any data on the "command economy"? Like the data we get from the "capitalist economy"? Of course written by whom? Google is a very independent source of course and the Soviet society has disappeared.
So the question is - how the fuck would you know what it was like in communism? Is this another case of you pontificating about something you have no idea about?
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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:15 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:57 pm
Rum wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:37 pm
There’s no doubt there were many shortages of consumer products as well as certain foods at times. The ‘command economy’ simply isn’t very erricient in that regard. If you think the ‘propaganda’ has managed to get to pretty much any link you care to google you are even more self deluded than I thought.
Yep the Cold War mind set is not easy to shake off. Any data on the "command economy"? Like the data we get from the "capitalist economy"? Of course written by whom? Google is a very independent source of course and the Soviet society has disappeared.
So the question is - how the fuck would you know what it was like in communism? Is this another case of you pontificating about something you have no idea about?
That makes three of you.

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Joe wrote:
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Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:23 pm
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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:18 pm

What are you on about?
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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Rum » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:33 pm

He thinks because none of us lived under the system we don’t know how shit it was or wasn’t and can’t therefore offer an opinion. If that was the case most of this forum would be nul and void.

One reads. One forms opinions. Is that no longer a valid process for some people?

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by DRSB » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:37 pm

I have lived under the system. Gotta say that food shortage was not known outside the USSR, never experienced it in Bulgaria. Bananas and oranges were expensive winter treats but otherwise cannot recall wanting for anything essential.

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