Israeli Apartheid and the UK's Complicity
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It is worth remembering that the impetus for the formation of a 'home' (not a State) goes back much earlier and is sometimes thought to originate in the desire to gain American (Jewish) support for WW1.
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By their own lights there are two kinds of people in this world: Gentiles and Jews.
So... I'm wondering how much responsibility the world bears for their "alienation" from "Gentile" society.
So... I'm wondering how much responsibility the world bears for their "alienation" from "Gentile" society.
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Nearly all of it. Don’t be a fuckwit.
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Where did I say they had no claim on the land? Don't put words in my mouth, then claim I'm a racist based off your invention, you stupid fuck.
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You make it sound like that hasn't happened already.
Well, they very clearly are. Not least because they self-identify as Arabs.
I love how you say "you Brits" when you know full well I am a dual British/Irish national. It's so funny.
As it happens, I was sent this article today which demonstrates that the Irish themselves don't exactly have a squeaky clean history where persecuting people is concerned.
http://www.patrickcomerford.com/2017/07 ... ry-of.html
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Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:47 pmArabs are from Arabia originally. Clue is in the name. And regardless of anything else, Jews are also undeniably genetically Middle Eastern.
It was implicit in your argument. You're implicitly asserting that Jews have a claim on the lands in question because they're "Middle Eastern," and then implicitly dismissing the Palestinians as "Arabs" from "Arabia."Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:56 pmWhere did I say they had no claim on the land? Don't put words in my mouth, then claim I'm a racist based off your invention, you stupid fuck.
Or am I misconstruing the basis of your argument? Please clarify.
You stupid fuck.
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Nobody going to answer this? An inconvenient truth, I imagine.
Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:26 pmAfter the re-establishment of Israel, Jews were forced out of Arab lands, leaving behind land covering an area four times the size of Israel. Shouldn't that land be returned to the Jews, since it actually was stolen from them? Or does that not count, because Jews?
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Explain to me why the "Jews" get special treatment in this regard. They are not unique.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:06 pmNobody going to answer this? An inconvenient truth, I imagine.
Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:26 pmAfter the re-establishment of Israel, Jews were forced out of Arab lands, leaving behind land covering an area four times the size of Israel. Shouldn't that land be returned to the Jews, since it actually was stolen from them? Or does that not count, because Jews?
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Yes, you are misconstruing. I was only pointing out that the Arabs in Palestine were largely not, as Animavore seems to think, Jews who had changed religion. They were Arabs, mainly Muslims, who considered themselves very much part of the Arab world, and it's only in the last century that a separate Palestinian identity has arisen.Śiva wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:06 pmStrontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:47 pmArabs are from Arabia originally. Clue is in the name. And regardless of anything else, Jews are also undeniably genetically Middle Eastern.It was implicit in your argument. You're implicitly asserting that Jews have a claim on the lands in question because they're "Middle Eastern," and then implicitly dismissing the Palestinians as "Arabs" from "Arabia."Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:56 pmWhere did I say they had no claim on the land? Don't put words in my mouth, then claim I'm a racist based off your invention, you stupid fuck.
Or am I misconstruing the basis of your argument? Please clarify.
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You people seem uniquely obsessed by the Jews. Envy is a terrible thing.Śiva wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:07 pmExplain to me why the "Jews" get special treatment in this regard. They are not unique.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:06 pmNobody going to answer this? An inconvenient truth, I imagine.
Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:26 pmAfter the re-establishment of Israel, Jews were forced out of Arab lands, leaving behind land covering an area four times the size of Israel. Shouldn't that land be returned to the Jews, since it actually was stolen from them? Or does that not count, because Jews?
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What do you mean? I'm circumcised.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:14 pmYou people seem uniquely obsessed by the Jews. Envy is a terrible thing.Śiva wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:07 pmExplain to me why the "Jews" get special treatment in this regard. They are not unique.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:06 pmNobody going to answer this? An inconvenient truth, I imagine.
Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:26 pmAfter the re-establishment of Israel, Jews were forced out of Arab lands, leaving behind land covering an area four times the size of Israel. Shouldn't that land be returned to the Jews, since it actually was stolen from them? Or does that not count, because Jews?
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Excuse me, but how do you know the Palestinians are not of the same genetic stock as the Jewish people of old?Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:13 pmYes, you are misconstruing. I was only pointing out that the Arabs in Palestine were largely not, as Animavore seems to think, Jews who had changed religion. They were Arabs, mainly Muslims, who considered themselves very much part of the Arab world, and it's only in the last century that a separate Palestinian identity has arisen.Śiva wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:06 pmStrontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:47 pmArabs are from Arabia originally. Clue is in the name. And regardless of anything else, Jews are also undeniably genetically Middle Eastern.It was implicit in your argument. You're implicitly asserting that Jews have a claim on the lands in question because they're "Middle Eastern," and then implicitly dismissing the Palestinians as "Arabs" from "Arabia."Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:56 pmWhere did I say they had no claim on the land? Don't put words in my mouth, then claim I'm a racist based off your invention, you stupid fuck.
Or am I misconstruing the basis of your argument? Please clarify.
I demand a test!
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Red herring. Nothing to with Isreal and the current apartheid regime.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:05 pmAs it happens, I was sent this article today which demonstrates that the Irish themselves don't exactly have a squeaky clean history where persecuting people is concerned.
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An apartheid regime where Arab and Jewish citizens enjoy equal rights. Good one.
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What the actual fuck are you smoking?Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:12 pmAn apartheid regime where Arab and Jewish citizens enjoy equal rights. Good one.
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