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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:45 pm

Do we really not have a thread for this? It's one of the most fascinating things I've ever listened to. I could do without the protesters though. I can't even understand what those idiots are yelling.

Who else is listening and what do you make of it, him? He sounds very intelligent and reasonable. (not counting his comment about self-pardoning of course :hehe: )
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Post by laklak » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:28 pm

No question he's a smart dude, he's got massive judicial chops, and is widely respected by the legal community. His positions (the ones I've read) seem well thought out and fair. And he'll be confirmed, even if by a margin of 1. Cue Democratic Doomsday Derangement Syndrome in 3.....2.....1....

It is beyond me why they're allowing the protesters, it's the most transparent and ridiculous political theater I've ever seen and I was around for Watergate so that's saying something.
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:43 pm

But is he the equal of the legal mind Scalia was, no matter I can disagree with some of the decisions he had?
At least, he was on the right side of Kelo vs New London, proving that a conservative can be an honest man.
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Post by Tero » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:49 pm

Just because we can't pass any amendment, to clarify what the government can do or not do, the court is a joke.
- Roe vs Wade: just pass an amendmet
-Bush wins over Gore on hanging chaffs
-Court decided if Obamacare can force people to buy insurance: commerce clause

Every smart candidate, left of right, will refuse certain questions. They must be sitting there going "you must be kidding?", how do I refuse this politely.
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Post by Seabass » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:50 pm

laklak wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:28 pm
No question he's a smart dude, he's got massive judicial chops, and is widely respected by the legal community. His positions (the ones I've read) seem well thought out and fair. And he'll be confirmed, even if by a margin of 1. Cue Democratic Doomsday Derangement Syndrome in 3.....2.....1....

It is beyond me why they're allowing the protesters, it's the most transparent and ridiculous political theater I've ever seen and I was around for Watergate so that's saying something.
Dude, he thinks sitting presidents shouldn't be investigated, which basically would put presidents above the law. That alone should disqualify him imo. Plus, he's rabidly anti-abortion. We don't need more religious loonies on the court.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:01 pm

I heard Democrats trying to make out that he believed that, but I didn't get that from him. Maybe it was in another part or something he's written?

I have to say my confidence in the "dirt" brought against people on either side from either side is at an all time low. I just don't buy it. Go look into the "lying" he supposedly did with regards to his involvement in policies allowing torture. That's some seriously shaky shit. Some people appear willing to accept that he lied on account of a senator's email accusing him of lying. The senator's reasoning itself doesn't do much to support the accusation either.
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Post by laklak » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:05 pm

He said that Roe is "settled law", and the only case you could even stretch to an anti-abortion stance was his dissenting opinion that an illegal immigrant minor in detention did not have a right to abortion. That's a pretty specific ruling and does not address Roe-v-Wade in any way. He didn't say sitting presidents "shouldn't be investigated", he said "Congress could consider a law exempting a President, while in office, from criminal prosecution and investigation". He also said impeachment would remain an option even if that law was passed. If Obama had nominated him the left would be fawning over him as a "principled centrist". It's all spin. All of it.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:51 pm

".... Obama ...."

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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:01 pm

One aspect of his record worth exploring more is his supposed tendency to always side with corporate interests. If that's true then I'd worry about it.
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Post by Tero » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:17 pm

Just like Trump. White working class was fooled. Trump is consistently on corporation side not worker.
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Seabass » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:35 pm

laklak wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:05 pm
He said that Roe is "settled law", and the only case you could even stretch to an anti-abortion stance was his dissenting opinion that an illegal immigrant minor in detention did not have a right to abortion. That's a pretty specific ruling and does not address Roe-v-Wade in any way.
He is Federalist Society approved. That would not be the case unless he were anti-abortion.
His idol is William Rehnquist, who dissented in Roe v Wade.
Trump gets his judicial picks from Leonard Leo.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/201 ... story.html
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/ju ... n-abortion
And of course there are the leaked emails:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... t-unmasked
And forcing a young woman, illegal or not, to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term is fucking barbaric.
During his campaign, Trump promised to choose only anti-abortion judges.

Looks like a duck to me...

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Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:05 pm
He didn't say sitting presidents "shouldn't be investigated", he said "Congress could consider a law exempting a President, while in office, from criminal prosecution and investigation". He also said impeachment would remain an option even if that law was passed.
He said Congress should pass a law:
vox wrote: https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17551584/b ... estigation
Kavanaugh wrote in an article for the Minnesota Law Review from 2009 that Congress should pass a law “exempting a President—while in office—from criminal prosecution and investigation, including from questioning by criminal prosecutors or defense counsel.”

“I believe that the President should be excused from some of the burdens of ordinary citizenship while serving in office,” Kavanaugh wrote. “We should not burden a sitting President with civil suits, criminal investigations, or criminal prosecutions.” Furthermore, Kavanaugh opined that the “indictment and trial of a sitting President” would “cripple the federal government.”

Now, this is in the context of calling for Congress to change existing law — not for the Supreme Court to interpret it differently. However, these beliefs and opinions could well influence how Kavanaugh would rule on the major topics related to civil or criminal investigations that do end up reaching the Supreme Court.

laklak wrote:
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If Obama had nominated him the left would be fawning over him as a "principled centrist".
Yeaahh, I don't think so....
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Post by laklak » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:56 pm

I think he's right about prosecuting a sitting president, but I don't expect you to agree. However, the next time there's a Democratic president and a Republican congress, which will absolutely happen, you might feel differently, because they're going to make the Clinton impeachment look like a garden party. You thought you saw "obstruction" under Obama?

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:58 pm

High fructose corn syrup... :drool:
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Seabass » Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:25 am

laklak wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:56 pm
Anyone buying into party politics is a deluded pawn. Anyone who thinks one side are Good Guys and the other side are Bad Guys is, well, naïve is the most polite description.
I don't necessarily buy into party politics or see Democrats as good guys and Republicans as bad guys. The way I see it, we have a cultural divide between secular liberalism and religious conservatism. Secular liberalism leads to western, and eventually northern Europe, while religious conservatism leads to third world misery, poverty, bigotry, tribalism, etc.

Do I think the Dems are perfect? Of course not. But I do see Dems vs Reps as 1st world party vs 3rd world party.
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Śiva » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:23 am

Does anyone know how long the detained girl, who was the concern of the ruling by the DC Circuit last October, had been pregnant when the ruling was delivered?
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