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Re: Qanon

Post by Cunt » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:03 pm

I'm just pointing out that stormfront is vulnerable as well.

If you want anything from it, take it before it rises to the level of 'offensive' to the mighty dollar'.
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Re: Qanon

Post by Hermit » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:07 pm

Cunt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:03 pm
I'm just pointing out that stormfront is vulnerable as well.
Yeah. Sure.

I just googled "Stormfront forum". Google replied with "Stormfront - White Nationalist Community" and "https://www.stormfront.org/forum/index.php"

How vulnerable is that?
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Re: Qanon

Post by Cunt » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:33 pm

Well, if they were important enough, someone would '8chan' them.

Tell me, Hermit, could you, with deep resources and ALL your smarts, have maintained 8chan as a free speech platform?

I'm not asking if you approve of the speech (I don't think anyone does) but asking if you could functionally do it.
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Re: Qanon

Post by Hermit » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:42 pm

Cunt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:33 pm
Well, if they were important enough, someone would '8chan' them.
There are no laws forbidding access to Stormfront. It remains easily accessible. It is not vulnerable.
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Tell me, Hermit, could you, with deep resources and ALL your smarts, have maintained 8chan as a free speech platform?
Why should I? Its founder, Fredrick Brennan got disillusioned with what 8chan had become and walked away from it. I'll leave it in the culpable hands of whoever is doing the maintenance now. He is coping well enough without my assistance. The site is alive and well. Right now you can access it by clicking on this link: https://8kun.top/index.html
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: Qanon

Post by JimC » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:35 pm

But Hermit, you are casting doubt on Cunt's main narrative - that the insidious forces of the Deep State and its coterie of Marxist academics are shutting down free speech! Any day now, there'll be no websites or media that have not been approved as politically correct...
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Re: Qanon

Post by Cunt » Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:09 pm

Hermit wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:42 pm
Cunt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:33 pm
Tell me, Hermit, could you, with deep resources and ALL your smarts, have maintained 8chan as a free speech platform?
Why should I? Its founder, Fredrick Brennan got disillusioned with what 8chan had become and walked away from it. I'll leave it in the culpable hands of whoever is doing the maintenance now. He is coping well enough without my assistance. The site is alive and well. Right now you can access it by clicking on this link: https://8kun.top/index.html
Why should you indeed.

That IS the question. Who in their right mind would stand behind 'free speech' when it leads to that?

I don't think anyone can, and that was the point I was making. You aren't even willing to have a go at it, and citing their new site isn't exactly refuting my point. They got closed. Their ISP was encouraged to stop doing business with them.

It's one of the big problems with supporting free speech online. Another complication is the effort to equate speech with violence, since if you do that, a reasonable response to speech becomes a violent one.

I think of speech, even ugly speech, as better than violence, for batting around ideas.
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Re: Qanon

Post by Hermit » Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:45 pm

Cunt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:09 pm
Hermit wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:42 pm
Cunt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:33 pm
Tell me, Hermit, could you, with deep resources and ALL your smarts, have maintained 8chan as a free speech platform?
Why should I? Its founder, Fredrick Brennan got disillusioned with what 8chan had become and walked away from it. I'll leave it in the culpable hands of whoever is doing the maintenance now. He is coping well enough without my assistance. The site is alive and well. Right now you can access it by clicking on this link: https://8kun.top/index.html
Why should you indeed.

That IS the question. Who in their right mind would stand behind 'free speech' when it leads to that?
Exactly.
Cunt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:09 pm
Another complication is the effort to equate speech with violence...
Speech can and does generate violence. When it does it has overstepped the limits to the right of free speech.
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:09 pm
I think of speech, even ugly speech, as better than violence, for batting around ideas.
8chan/8kun is so radically committed to freedom of speech that it hosted child-pornography. When Google filtered the site out because of that merely linked to them. Some people follow up on those and buy child-pornography, expanding the market in the process. Do you regard the production of child-porn as nonviolent?

Do you think the unchecked propagation of lies on sites like 8kun, Parler, gab and other staunch defenders of the right to free speech concerning claims that Trump's landslide victory was stolen by means of massive election/voter fraud does not contribute to violence, such as occurred during the storming of the Capitol?

Do you think the rabid manifestos by perpetrators of mass shootings, three of whom published theirs on 8chan in 2019 alone did not inspire a number of people to engage violently with Muslims?
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: Qanon

Post by Cunt » Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:03 am

Hermit wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:45 pm
Exactly.
Freedom isn't easy. Or clean.
Speech can and does generate violence. When it does it has overstepped the limits to the right of free speech.
If I can nudge you just a little further, you will agree that speech IS violence. From there, another nudge and you respond to 'violent speech' with violence.

Then a bunch of idiots start punching anyone labeled nazi.
Cunt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:09 pm
I think of speech, even ugly speech, as better than violence, for batting around ideas.
8chan/8kun is so radically committed to freedom of speech that it hosted child-pornography. When Google filtered the site out because of that merely linked to them. Some people follow up on those and buy child-pornography, expanding the market in the process. Do you regard the production of child-porn as nonviolent?
Nope. I think with the ability of platforms to address removing posts with Voldemorts name, they would be very able to pursue 'CSAM' and justice.

Trouble is, it's tough to even talk about. Sam Harris had a go, but not very widely heard, I think. He described how facebook, in their cooperation about enforcement in this area, became the site with the 'most reported CSAM content'. This makes it look, at a glance, like they have the most. No, they just reported the most.

Anyway, AI should do a much better job of pursuing CSAM, but for some reason, it is used in other areas first.

I don't understand the priorities, but I think the ability to analyze the data of a company like google, would give them SO much power to report criminal behaviour, that it is a wonder any remains.

Unless they are careful about what they admit to 'knowing' when law enforcement is watching.

No doubt they are equally careful about what they admit to 'knowing' when they are selling their advertising prowess.

Do you think the unchecked propagation of lies on sites like 8kun, Parler, gab and other staunch defenders of the right to free speech concerning claims that Trump's landslide victory was stolen by means of massive election/voter fraud does not contribute to violence, such as occurred during the storming of the Capitol?
Both sides have made the same kinds of claims. If you want to take a side, please do, but it looks like riots all of 2020 were 'peaceful protest', and this first one in 2021 is being treated quite differently.

Do you think the rabid manifestos by perpetrators of mass shootings, three of whom published theirs on 8chan in 2019 alone did not inspire a number of people to engage violently with Muslims?
Why pick that out? Why make it about religion, I mean?

There are 'rabid manifestos' all over. You could find some to agree with just about anything you want.

I don't doubt it is worth preventing companies like twitter from promoting that stuff (which they do, to sell soap or whatnot) but I don't know how.

I think free speech is critical to protect, but don't know where. I also think allowing anonymous free speech is important in todays world. No clue how to do that either.

I kind of wish 1a would hump 2a, and make a baby 1a2a, which was an unbreakable, personal tweeter, with anonymous mode, which could not be taken away for any reason.

But I don't know how to do THAT, either. I'm pretty sure everyone would hate it, though.
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Re: Qanon

Post by Hermit » Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:14 am

Cunt wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:03 am
If I can nudge you just a little further, you will agree that speech IS violence.
It can be, but only on an individual to individual basis. On one occasion I witnessed it, I thought to myself: "Why don't you just whack her over her head with that frying pan you're holding in your hand? It would be less cruel."

I filed the rest of your post.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: Qanon

Post by Cunt » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:25 am

Hermit wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:14 am
Cunt wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:03 am
If I can nudge you just a little further, you will agree that speech IS violence.
It can be, but only on an individual to individual basis. On one occasion I witnessed it, I thought to myself: "Why don't you just whack her over her head with that frying pan you're holding in your hand? It would be less cruel."

I filed the rest of your post.
So close...now you just have to repeat 'punch a nazi', then you are free to assault, and it is only preemptive self-defense!
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Re: Qanon

Post by JimC » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:39 am

Again, meaningless garbage...
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Re: Qanon

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:57 pm

Who is that describing Jim?
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Re: Qanon

Post by JimC » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:41 am

Not who, Scot, but what. The content of Cunt's latest post above yours, of course. One robustly attacks the contents of a post, not the poster... :tea:
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Re: Qanon

Post by Cunt » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:50 am

Turnip has finally made a statement about why he insurrected the capitol.
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Re: Qanon

Post by Tero » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:22 pm

How exactly does this free speech work? Are you supposed to support one or more conspiracies before you can say anything? How vast does the conspiracy need to be? Is Hillary in it? Biden? Pence?
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