The End of NATO

[Rum]

You know something? I'm tired of you SD and your constant criticism of everything to do with the UK - and much else besides. Are you just a grumpy old guy with nothing better to do than sit and complain all day about how shit everything is except in your own little Dutch bubble.

I'm bowing out of these tiresome squabbles.

[Tyrannical]

In more Trump is a stable genius NATO news, thank's to his demanding more defense $$$$ I've got some hot investment picks.

https://www.thestreet.com/topic/21701/t ... fense.html

Europe will be buying US LNG
Europe will be buying more US defense equipment

[Svartalf]

why would we? US LNG is more expensive than Russian gas, and we have our own factories to produce the materiel cheaper than we'd buy it from Americz... here's FN and H&K, and Herstal and other local companies that can compete better.

[Tyrannical]

why would we? US LNG is more expensive than Russian gas, and we have our own factories to produce the materiel cheaper than we'd buy it from Americz... here's FN and H&K, and Herstal and other local companies that can compete better.

Because of
Trump will actually threaten and bully you to make you, and you will capitulate.

Because if you don't Trump might just pull the bulk of US troops out of Europe. Which would force the EU to immediately buy large amounts of arms, far more than can be domestically produced. Russian piped gas to a militarily weak EU..... hello US LNG

So, you either arm up and buy US LNG because Trump is telling you to OR you arm up and buy US LNG because you have no choice since the US pulled it's troops out. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but you will damn well do what Trump wants

[Scot Dutchy]

Hope he does pull all American troops out of Europe. It would not force anything of the sort. Christ what a pitiful little mind.

[Jason]

If he pulls out all those troops how is he going to justify the military budget to congress?

[Scot Dutchy]

You know something? I'm tired of you SD and your constant criticism of everything to do with the UK - and much else besides. Are you just a grumpy old guy with nothing better to do than sit and complain all day about how shit everything is except in your own little Dutch bubble.

I'm bowing out of these tiresome squabbles.

(Cant take it eh? Constant reminder of how shit England is? I dont live in a Dutch bubble. Dont have to. It is a European bubble and a big one as well. You could have been here but the 1% screwed you. Now they are laughing.)

Ok Rum. If you find them tiresome I am sorry but that's what a forum is for.

[Scot Dutchy]

If he pulls out all those troops how is he going to justify the military budget to congress?

What would he do with all those troops?

[Svartalf]

why would we? US LNG is more expensive than Russian gas, and we have our own factories to produce the materiel cheaper than we'd buy it from Americz... here's FN and H&K, and Herstal and other local companies that can compete better.

Because of
Trump will actually threaten and bully you to make you, and you will capitulate.

Because if you don't Trump might just pull the bulk of US troops out of Europe. Which would force the EU to immediately buy large amounts of arms, far more than can be domestically produced. Russian piped gas to a militarily weak EU..... hello US LNG

So, you either arm up and buy US LNG because Trump is telling you to OR you arm up and buy US LNG because you have no choice since the US pulled it's troops out. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but you will damn well do what Trump wants

that's not the way to conclude commercial agreements, frump is there for 4 easly years, 8 at most, he can spend them all in NK for the flying continental fucks given to his exigencies.

[Svartalf]

If he pulls out all those troops how is he going to justify the military budget to congress?

What would he do with all those troops?

send them to Japan or Korea where they'll protect the locals from China... or repatriate them home and launch a war against mexico about the money to build his wall with

[laklak]

If he pulls out all those troops how is he going to justify the military budget to congress?

And that is the crux of the matter. It's impossible to justify the insane military budget unless you have insane military expenses. This is one reason the Libertarian Party is opposed by pretty much every Big Money interest, including the U.S. military establishment. If we stopped fucking about in other countries' business we might not need 10 carrier strike groups or the two largest air forces in the world.

The other reason Libertarians are not taken seriously is we're mostly batshit crazy, dope smoking, anarchist leaning, survivalist gun nuts.

[Tyrannical]

why would we? US LNG is more expensive than Russian gas, and we have our own factories to produce the materiel cheaper than we'd buy it from Americz... here's FN and H&K, and Herstal and other local companies that can compete better.

Because of
Trump will actually threaten and bully you to make you, and you will capitulate.

Because if you don't Trump might just pull the bulk of US troops out of Europe. Which would force the EU to immediately buy large amounts of arms, far more than can be domestically produced. Russian piped gas to a militarily weak EU..... hello US LNG

So, you either arm up and buy US LNG because Trump is telling you to OR you arm up and buy US LNG because you have no choice since the US pulled it's troops out. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but you will damn well do what Trump wants

that's not the way to conclude commercial agreements, frump is there for 4 easly years, 8 at most, he can spend them all in NK for the flying continental fucks given to his exigencies.

No future US President would ever move significant amounts of troops back to EU if Trump pulls them out. If Trump decides to do it, it's permanent.
No Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, or Elizabeth Warren would move tens of thousands of troops back to Europe.

[Tyrannical]

If he pulls out all those troops how is he going to justify the military budget to congress?

And that is the crux of the matter. It's impossible to justify the insane military budget unless you have insane military expenses. This is one reason the Libertarian Party is opposed by pretty much every Big Money interest, including the U.S. military establishment. If we stopped fucking about in other countries' business we might not need 10 carrier strike groups or the two largest air forces in the world.

The other reason Libertarians are not taken seriously is we're mostly batshit crazy, dope smoking, anarchist leaning, survivalist gun nuts.

Everyone knows what Jesus would do...... and it's boring.

What would Rome do? Build the biggest Army and Navy and make Mexico Europe pay for it. Well, every country that relies on international trade that doesn't have the world's ONLY Navy that isn't a joke. Ensuring the safety of international ship trade is surely worth a modest 1.5% of the World's GDP as a US tax.

[Svartalf]

why would we? US LNG is more expensive than Russian gas, and we have our own factories to produce the materiel cheaper than we'd buy it from Americz... here's FN and H&K, and Herstal and other local companies that can compete better.

Because of
Trump will actually threaten and bully you to make you, and you will capitulate.

Because if you don't Trump might just pull the bulk of US troops out of Europe. Which would force the EU to immediately buy large amounts of arms, far more than can be domestically produced. Russian piped gas to a militarily weak EU..... hello US LNG

So, you either arm up and buy US LNG because Trump is telling you to OR you arm up and buy US LNG because you have no choice since the US pulled it's troops out. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but you will damn well do what Trump wants

that's not the way to conclude commercial agreements, frump is there for 4 easly years, 8 at most, he can spend them all in NK for the flying continental fucks given to his exigencies.

No future US President would ever move significant amounts of troops back to EU if Trump pulls them out. If Trump decides to do it, it's permanent.
No Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, or Elizabeth Warren would move tens of thousands of troops back to Europe.

so we'd have to rebuild our sorely diminished militaries... but for that, the US would lose about as much goodwill as UK has squandered when whingeing over every EU policy and with the recent brexit debacle.

[Jason]

If he pulls out all those troops how is he going to justify the military budget to congress?

And that is the crux of the matter. It's impossible to justify the insane military budget unless you have insane military expenses. This is one reason the Libertarian Party is opposed by pretty much every Big Money interest, including the U.S. military establishment. If we stopped fucking about in other countries' business we might not need 10 carrier strike groups or the two largest air forces in the world.

The other reason Libertarians are not taken seriously is we're mostly batshit crazy, dope smoking, anarchist leaning, survivalist gun nuts.

Everyone knows what Jesus would do...... and it's boring.

What would Rome do? Build the biggest Army and Navy and make Mexico Europe pay for it. Well, every country that relies on international trade that doesn't have the world's ONLY Navy that isn't a joke. Ensuring the safety of international ship trade is surely worth a modest 1.5% of the World's GDP as a US tax.

I must have something crazy in my eyes, because I think I just read you suggesting that America hold global maritime trade hostage to Trump's will.

Now I know you're just trolling.