Russia Test-fires Unlimited Range Nuclear Missile!

[Forty Two]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... elligence/

It went 22 miles and crashed....

[Brian Peacock]

Oops

[JimC]

Even little Kim could do better than that...

[Joe]

That's it, no more vodka in the control room!

[L'Emmerdeur]

So, anonymous sources: check. US intelligence report (according to the anonymous sources): check. Russians deny what the anonymous sources/US intelligence have said: check. Care to tell me why you would believe this, Forty Two?

[pErvinalia]

So, anonymous sources: check. US intelligence report (according to the anonymous sources): check. Russians deny what the anonymous sources/US intelligence have said: check. Care to tell me why you would believe this, Forty Two?

[Svartalf]

because the russian services are even less believable than the anonymous source?

[Forty Two]

So, anonymous sources: check. US intelligence report (according to the anonymous sources): check. Russians deny what the anonymous sources/US intelligence have said: check. Care to tell me why you would believe this, Forty Two?

Oh, to that point, I don't really believe it, or disbelieve it. It's a report. That's all. The reason I posted it is because it's funny. I thought the title of the thread where I referenced the missile of unlimited range being tested, followed by the blurb "...crashed after 22 miles..." was a funny juxtaposition.

If the question is whether I actually believe the US intelligence sources at face value, no. Nor do I believe the Russians at face value.

However, since you regularly believe US intelligence reprots with anonymous sources which Russians deny, care to tell me why you would disbelieve this one?

[NineBerry]

The Russians have had working long-range missiles for decades.

[Sean Hayden]

So, anonymous sources: check. US intelligence report (according to the anonymous sources): check. Russians deny what the anonymous sources/US intelligence have said: check. Care to tell me why you would believe this, Forty Two?

Oh, to that point, I don't really believe it, or disbelieve it. It's a report. That's all. The reason I posted it is because it's funny. I thought the title of the thread where I referenced the missile of unlimited range being tested, followed by the blurb "...crashed after 22 miles..." was a funny juxtaposition.

If the question is whether I actually believe the US intelligence sources at face value, no. Nor do I believe the Russians at face value.

However, since you regularly believe US intelligence reprots with anonymous sources which Russians deny, care to tell me why you would disbelieve this one?

I thought you posted it because it was a chance to show how big bad Russia may not be so bad after all. It's a natural continuation of one of your favorite digs '..the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back'.

Sure, it's funny. But that's why it's funny.

[NineBerry]

What I am really worried about: Who thinks it is a good idea to test a missile that has a working nuclear reaction inside???

[Forty Two]

So, anonymous sources: check. US intelligence report (according to the anonymous sources): check. Russians deny what the anonymous sources/US intelligence have said: check. Care to tell me why you would believe this, Forty Two?

Oh, to that point, I don't really believe it, or disbelieve it. It's a report. That's all. The reason I posted it is because it's funny. I thought the title of the thread where I referenced the missile of unlimited range being tested, followed by the blurb "...crashed after 22 miles..." was a funny juxtaposition.

If the question is whether I actually believe the US intelligence sources at face value, no. Nor do I believe the Russians at face value.

However, since you regularly believe US intelligence reprots with anonymous sources which Russians deny, care to tell me why you would disbelieve this one?

I thought you posted it because it was a chance to show how big bad Russia may not be so bad after all. It's a natural continuation of one of your favorite digs '..the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back'.

Sure, it's funny. But that's why it's funny.

Obama was the one minimizing the badness of Russia when he said "the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back." Mit Romney was suggesting they were a serious foreign policy threat. The media, the American left, the Democratic Party, and Obama all spit out their coffee in unison to laugh at the ridiculous claim that Russia was in any way a threat to the US. Fast forward to 2016, and Trump runs for President, Hillary's emails are leaked, and suddenly even doing business in Russia is evidence of possible treason, because Russia, like East Asia, has always been our enemy.

I've never suggested Russia is not a threat, and is not an adversary nation. They aren't an enemy nation, though, and we're always trying to get along with them. The Obama Administration tried to be friends with them, and hit the "reset button" to create a friendly relationship.

They have a significant military, significant numbers of nukes with deliverable ICBMs. So, of course they're a threat. I posted this to poke fun.

Believing reports like this is an exercise in futility. We know nothing of the details. Nothing is supported by evidence. And, for all we know the Americans, the Russians, or both are putting out disinformation on purpose.

[Forty Two]

The Russians have had working long-range missiles for decades.

Not like the one they're claiming to be developing or have developed. This one's an upgrade.


EDIT - before some idiot comes along asking me if I believe the Russian announcements, or the US intelligence reports about this particular missile, no. Of course I don't. I think it would be stupid to think that the media is publishing anything close to the truth or reality of what we or they have or know. However, if the description of this missile are true, it's a significant upgrade. O.k.?

[Sean Hayden]

So, anonymous sources: check. US intelligence report (according to the anonymous sources): check. Russians deny what the anonymous sources/US intelligence have said: check. Care to tell me why you would believe this, Forty Two?

Oh, to that point, I don't really believe it, or disbelieve it. It's a report. That's all. The reason I posted it is because it's funny. I thought the title of the thread where I referenced the missile of unlimited range being tested, followed by the blurb "...crashed after 22 miles..." was a funny juxtaposition.

If the question is whether I actually believe the US intelligence sources at face value, no. Nor do I believe the Russians at face value.

However, since you regularly believe US intelligence reprots with anonymous sources which Russians deny, care to tell me why you would disbelieve this one?

I thought you posted it because it was a chance to show how big bad Russia may not be so bad after all. It's a natural continuation of one of your favorite digs '..the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back'.

Sure, it's funny. But that's why it's funny.

Obama was the one minimizing the badness of Russia when he said "the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back." Mit Romney was suggesting they were a serious foreign policy threat. The media, the American left, the Democratic Party, and Obama all spit out their coffee in unison to laugh at the ridiculous claim that Russia was in any way a threat to the US. Fast forward to 2016, and Trump runs for President, Hillary's emails are leaked, and suddenly even doing business in Russia is evidence of possible treason, because Russia, like East Asia, has always been our enemy.

I've never suggested Russia is not a threat, and is not an adversary nation. They aren't an enemy nation, though, and we're always trying to get along with them. The Obama Administration tried to be friends with them, and hit the "reset button" to create a friendly relationship.

They have a significant military, significant numbers of nukes with deliverable ICBMs. So, of course they're a threat. I posted this to poke fun.

Believing reports like this is an exercise in futility. We know nothing of the details. Nothing is supported by evidence. And, for all we know the Americans, the Russians, or both are putting out disinformation on purpose.

I don't think it's necessary to deny having a greater purpose behind posting the op than just to poke fun. None of us are 100% unbiased and objective anything like most of the time.

[Forty Two]

I had no greater purpose - I posted it to have fun. Whether they do or do not have this missile is not in any way related to any political opinion I have. I don't think it would be surprising for them to have this technology, nor would it be suprising to have a failed test. Having a failed test doesn't mean all that much. All weapons are developed through failed tests.

I recall as a young kid seeing a "60 Minutes" episode excoriating a new missile program as a flop, costing too much, and failing miserably. It was supposed to be some ludicrious idea of a missile that basically flew, and could be guided to a target, to more surgically strike targets. It was failing tests miserably, said the news reports. It wouldn't work, said naysayers. In 1992 in the Gulf War we saw it in action for the first time, and it has been a mainstay of US military actions for the last 25 years. The Tomahawk Cruise Missile. And now you know..... the rest of the story.