The interpretation of the 2nd Amendment as protecting the right of citizens of the US to keep and bear arms irrespective of the issue of 'well regulated militia' is correct, in my opinion.
Well then why even include the phrase at all?
Why not simply:
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
instead of:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Even if we accept that the part before the comma gives the reason for the part after it, the word "regulated" has to be there for a reason...
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In the mean time your so called constitution has resulted in more kids killed this year in mass shootings than soldiers In your various ‘adventures’. Your paranoia about government oppression is a self feeding and fulfilling mesh of fear and unjustified anxiety. Do you think the rest of the developed world is at the mercy of their governments because they don’t have guns in their bedside lockers?
Just fuck off all of you americans who even vaguely defend the status quo by referring to your Constitution, that doesn’t wash any more.
Go on - justify the deaths of another ten kids. Fucking idiots.
Generally speaking, it's the Republicans that have a zealous devotion to the Constitution. Not even the whole document, really; just the 2nd Amendment.
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He received the second most votes after Trump in the 2016 Republican presidential primary.
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This massacre seems unusual in terms of being perpetrated, at least in part, with a shotgun, which are legal even here. So even very strict gun control may not have stopped this particular event.
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This massacre seems unusual in terms of being perpetrated, at least in part, with a shotgun, which are legal even here. So even very strict gun control may not have stopped this particular event.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the Google, one must be at least 18yrs to buy a gun in the UK. This kid was 17. He also had a revolver. I'm also guessing you probably have to jump through more hoops to get a gun in the UK.
In any case, the point of gun control is to reduce, rather than eliminate, gun violence.
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This is not a time to talk about gun control. We need to know the facts about this case to avoid the risk of creating bad laws that don't actually stop this kind of thing from happening again. If teachers had been armed, as Mr Trump suggested after Parkland, this tragic incident probably wouldn't have occurred.
(I find if profoundly depressing that I know the NRA line off-by-heart now).
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
This massacre seems unusual in terms of being perpetrated, at least in part, with a shotgun, which are legal even here. So even very strict gun control may not have stopped this particular event.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the Google, one must be at least 18yrs to buy a gun in the UK. This kid was 17. He also had a revolver. I'm also guessing you probably have to jump through more hoops to get a gun in the UK.
In any case, the point of gun control is to reduce, rather than eliminate, gun violence.
There's no minimum age to get a shotgun licence in the UK. Shotguns are pretty much everywhere in rural areas.
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No, I was meaning the shooting itself. It's sad that this keeps happening to kids.
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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There is no likely solution. The US is locked into a high level of gun-related violence. No real pathway to actual change is going to succeed; gun culture is ingrained. You are fucked, and you just have to live with it.
For US people accusing me of pessimism, show me a realistic path that alters things there.
There is no likely solution. The US is locked into a high level of gun-related violence. No real pathway to actual change is going to succeed; gun culture is ingrained. You are fucked, and you just have to live with it.
For US people accusing me of pessimism, show me a realistic path that alters things there.
I agree with you on this. They are down a rabbit hole with this issue. The Democrats have an easy 'out' in blaming the Republicans. The problem should unite them, not divide them - oh and that it does not is also probably the fault of the Republicans.
There is no likely solution. The US is locked into a high level of gun-related violence. No real pathway to actual change is going to succeed; gun culture is ingrained. You are fucked, and you just have to live die with it.
For US people accusing me of pessimism, show me a realistic path that alters things there.
Eventually there'll need to be an amendment that nullifies the second just like the 21st nullified the 18th. Either that, or a saner interpretation of the 2nd needs to be enshrined. For starters, I don't see how the availability of concealable firearms contribute to the defence against a tyrannous government in any meaningful way. As for long-barrelled arms, a militia can be just as well regulated if those guns are stored in the militias' armoury when not needed for actually overthrowing a tyrannous government or exercises aimed at honing the skills for doing exactly that.
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