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Change the name of Israel

Post by mistermack » Tue May 15, 2018 8:50 pm

I think it should be called "Jewish State".

It has an awful lot in common with Islamic State. Including a fondness for massacring huge numbers of unarmed people.

Anyway, Jewish State is exactly what it is, so I think the name should be made to stick.
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Post by JimC » Tue May 15, 2018 9:11 pm

What is hidden by the somewhat facile OP is some very significant tensions within Israel. The right-wing Zionist hawks are frequently at odds with the ultra-religious conservative Jews, who often (for example) shield their sons from military service because they are all training to be Rabbis...
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Post by Svartalf » Tue May 15, 2018 9:29 pm

I'm not sure the ultra right wing hawks are so at odds with the ultra orthodox, given that, even though they are draft dodgers, they will provide a new crop of ultra right wing zionist rabbis that will encourage more colonial policies in a Spirit of Israel is Jewish land and cultivate the current culture of treating the palestinians like second, or even third class citizens, when treated as citizens at all...
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Re: Change the name of Israel

Post by cronus » Tue May 15, 2018 9:34 pm

Call it Jewish State, make some of the fuckers who broke Gods own lore on borders a long time ago now, think its time to quit....good thing going for them.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue May 15, 2018 9:36 pm

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Re: Change the name of Israel

Post by JimC » Tue May 15, 2018 9:38 pm

Svartalf wrote:
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I'm not sure the ultra right wing hawks are so at odds with the ultra orthodox, given that, even though they are draft dodgers, they will provide a new crop of ultra right wing zionist rabbis that will encourage more colonial policies in a Spirit of Israel is Jewish land and cultivate the current culture of treating the palestinians like second, or even third class citizens, when treated as citizens at all...
Within Israel, there was a strong secular tradition from the very beginning. From what I've read, they are Zionist in the sense of wanting the state of Israel to survive, but not necessarily right wing, and usually opposed to the settlement program which, as you say, is typically the preserve of rabid religionists...
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Post by Strontium Dog » Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pm

Clearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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Post by Animavore » Tue May 15, 2018 9:49 pm

It wasn't Israelis massacred yesterday.
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Post by Strontium Dog » Tue May 15, 2018 9:52 pm

Pointing out that Israel's tactics worked effectively is probably not the best argument.
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Post by Animavore » Tue May 15, 2018 10:00 pm

Wow!
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Re: Change the name of Israel

Post by Svartalf » Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 pm

JimC wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 9:38 pm
Svartalf wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 9:29 pm
I'm not sure the ultra right wing hawks are so at odds with the ultra orthodox, given that, even though they are draft dodgers, they will provide a new crop of ultra right wing zionist rabbis that will encourage more colonial policies in a Spirit of Israel is Jewish land and cultivate the current culture of treating the palestinians like second, or even third class citizens, when treated as citizens at all...
Within Israel, there was a strong secular tradition from the very beginning. From what I've read, they are Zionist in the sense of wanting the state of Israel to survive, but not necessarily right wing, and usually opposed to the settlement program which, as you say, is typically the preserve of rabid religionists...
Maybe Ben Gourion and Rabin were reasonable secularists, but nowaday the right wingers in netanyahu's Likud have one foot in the ultra orthodox house because they need that vote in the Knesset (and it's funny to remember that the Israeli parliament is the Knesset, but that the Hebrew Beth Knesset means a synagogue) ... politics makes for strange bedfellows.
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Re: Change the name of Israel

Post by mistermack » Tue May 15, 2018 10:10 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
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Pointing out that Israel's tactics worked effectively is probably not the best argument.
The Nazis used the same methods in every country that they occupied, and it was very effective.

If one German got killed, they would wipe out a village.
How long will it take the Jews to work out that Hitler's final solution would work for them too?
I think they already have, and are working on it right now.
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Post by Strontium Dog » Tue May 15, 2018 10:13 pm

Yeah, but you're an anti-semitic crackpot.
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Re: Change the name of Israel

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue May 15, 2018 10:23 pm

Animavore wrote:
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Wow!
Indeed.
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Re: Change the name of Israel

Post by Joe » Tue May 15, 2018 10:33 pm

I hear all the claims and counter claims, and I don't know fuck all about it because I'm just an ordinary Joe. But I can spot a trend, and it doesn't look good for the Palestinians.

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