US Election 2020

[Cunt]

There may be other reasons a 'shared health care resource' might be resisted.

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[laklak]

Somebody pays. I just don't want it to be me.

[pErvinalia]

There may be other reasons a 'shared health care resource' might be resisted.

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Yet you do if both you and them are insured. And you pay more for it compared to if it was UHC.

[Cunt]

There may be other reasons a 'shared health care resource' might be resisted.

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Yet you do if both you and them are insured. And you pay more for it compared to if it was UHC.

Um...I don't know what you are talking about, peRvinalia

I'm (like you) heckling the US situation from a safe distance.

(spoilered to protect our home and native land)

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[Hermit]

Look at it this way - every government program has 10 times the bureaucracy needed and costs 10 times as much as their "estimates". That's the nature of government programs...

Not just governments. Any organisation, be it government of privately owned and run, suffers from burgeoning bureaucracies, cost overruns, failure of projects to be finished on time, and projects that fail to do what they are meant to do. I have personally witnessed examples of it twice in the case of software developments and I've seen how the local steelworks operate. The former finished up costing the companies who ordered them way more than they were quoted.

The software systems were installed weeks after the agreed delivery dates, and although they were allegedly comprehensively tested, totally broke down immediately. The developers spent several more weeks in front of screens in our offices, jotting error messages down on paper with fucking pencils. Their work was slowed down by spending half their time arguing with each other right in front of office staff along the lines of "I did not write that subroutine. Kevin did.

The steelworks had tremendous administrative overheads, ironically by trying to optimise production. People were employed to improve processes, work flow etc. More people were employed to find out why the people charged with that task did not come up with the targeted improvements. Even more people were employed to discover why the people who were employed to find out why the people charged with that task did not come up with the targeted improvements. Then some managers got moved sideways and the new team repeated the cycle.

A huge part of the bureaucracy was created, and grew exponentially, out of the desire by the companies operating at the steelworks to cover their arses. They wanted to avoid being sued by employees for injuries received. The more rules concerning safety were devised, the better the chances of beating compensation cases. The administrative overheads were tremendous. You can't set foot on the site, or any of the ten ore mines surrounding town, without passing several training courses and tests. Some of it can be done online. Not all of it, of course. Getting into the Iron Knight mine took me three days in a classroom, two written tests and half a day of on site induction, and that was only to do deliveries to its central store. The people who finish up the dump trucks go through six weeks of theory, mostly to do with safe procedures, and sit for a test that is split into two four-hour chunks before they start practical training on the actual trucks.

And often left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. Did I tell you about an experience I had with Qantas Airlines while acting on behalf of a customer?

In short, I believe that governments do not have a monopoly on the shortcomings you complain about. I recommend you read Parkinson's Law. It's only 122 pages long, and that includes pictures that take up about 20 of them, so it won't take you much time. Although published in 1958, it is as relevant now as when it was written.

[Tero]

Look at it this way - every government program has 10 times the bureaucracy needed and costs 10 times as much as their "estimates". That's the nature of government programs, they have to be everything to everybody otherwise someone yells "UNFAIR!!!". That costs a lot, just look at Obamacare. Why does anyone think that Medicare for All or single payer or whatever is going to be any more efficient or cost effective? Look at the NHS, look at single payer all over the world - they're always bitching about how they need Mo' Money. There's always an excuse (and villains) to explain poor outcomes, and the excuses always start with "not enough funding" and the villains are always "the Other Party". So whatever they start with - 20 Billion, 1,4 Trillion, whatever - know that within a couple of years it will be three times that. They'll start running out of money and people won't cough up more, so standards will drop, people will be lying in hallways for a week, and we have all the usual complaints you see on FB every single day. Our Betters, those Congresscritters and suchlike, will have their own systems and hospitals just like they have now. The rich fuckers will have their own systems and hospitals, just like they have now. We'll get the crumbs, just like we always have, but now with Higher Taxes! (The Good of the Many, man, don't be so fucking selfish!)

Every privatized government function has twice the personnel it used to have as a department. The contractor bills three times what it used to as a gov't deparment. But the snow plow driver makes 30 dollars an hour either way.

[Tero]

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It's grandpa vs grandpa week

[Cunt]

In short, I believe that governments do not have a monopoly on the shortcomings you complain about. I recommend you read Parkinson's Law. It's only 122 pages long, and that includes pictures that take up about 20 of them, so it won't take you much time. Although published in 1958, it is as relevant now as when it was written.

A construction guy I listen to on the podcasts, pointed out that every employee added reduces the output of the rest of the crew.

So if one 'good framer' can do 1000, 2 of them can only do about 1800 (for example)

It bears out with any humans I've worked with. Just looked at a story yesterday where an NGO was asking for government something-or-other, and the government wouldn't say anything about their application, why it was denied or how to correct it.

It wouldn't be so funny, but they DID take the time to answer all those questions, and brought a skilled communications team to bear on ensuring that NO clear information was provided.

I know the 'Ms. D.' who didn't get funded for her project. I think she does 'better than average' work, and there is a very good chance she made no errors. I know some of the bureaucrats who decided. Even knowing all that, I got no enlightening information from their statements.

A pal was asked by a passerby if he could work for his (quite small) company. Pal said 'no, you drink too much and my customers would be frightened of you'. Said it directly, as clearly as one would wish, and I can't imagine a large org. being anywhere near that clear.

Back to the election, the Republicans are accusing the Dems of blocking the 'Born Alive' bill. I wonder if they will use the failure to pass such a (possibly very flawed) bill as a stick to beat the Dems with...

Ok, I don't really wonder.

Joe Biden is on the stage, claiming that '150 million people have been killed since 2007, when Bernie voted to exempt the gun manufacturers from liability.'


Honest, fair politicking. I bet that's what some people say they want.

[Tero]

Bernie can't pedal back on Medicare. Not till after being nominated:

A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Ocasio-Cortez told HuffPost. “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so.” Sanders disagreed with her in an interview on CNN, saying that his proposal is, “in a sense, already a compromise” because the plan has a four-year transition period. (The Sanders campaign could not be reached for comment for this story.)

The Atlantic

[Tero]

CNN

[Cunt]

That is a fucking beautiful photo.

[Tero]

Healthcare
Warren wins
https://www.healthline.com/health/how-t ... ed-desktop

[Tero]

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/f ... -pollution

[laklak]

None of them have a plan, they'll just have to pass it so they can find out what's in it. That worked so well the last time.

[Tero]

Comments on Foxnews article on Biden:
Is it Joe's wife, or someone else that helps him get dressed in the morning?

I thought his campaign was lacking a pulse

The main problem with Biden’s campaign is Joe Biden
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Get ready for Biden's new book-'What Went Wrong'-Joe Biden.

Magic = Jedi mind trick powers.
-Only won over those in whom the force was weak.