Starbucks coffee. Any colour but black.

[Forty Two]

Anim - you seem to be getting as intolerant as the people you attack for being intolerant these days. Give it a rest.

Yeah - and have a go at me too for saying so.

Not gonna have a go at you, but you should read Karl Popper on the Paradox of Tolerance.

I have read that stuff and I don't agree with him. I know when I'm dealing with reasonable people. I don't know what you are like in RL these days but when we have met you always struck me as reasonable and sociable - as well as exceedingly bright.

These days here you pop on - have a pop at someone - and pop off again.

Join in and engage. 42 is not the spawn of Satan...though there are one or two here who just might be.

42 supports a racist, misogynistic, fraudster, rapist, con artist who has ripped-off and damaged many people and makes excuses for this behaviour. I don't think he's Satan, but I can't see how he can be considered a good person. I'd rather not associate with him.

Not sure what he has to do with this thread.

Oh, well, here's the thing. I don't agree that Donald Trump is racist, a rapist, a con artist or a fraudster. On the misogyny issue, I would say he's an old-school ladies man who scores himself points by scoring the ladies, and views them as trophies. I would say he is rather self-centered and in that regard narcissistic, and concerned with his own pleasure and he is very concerned with personal gain. I don't think he's a nice guy, and he's probably very difficult to work for, with a penchent for getting loud and treating employees poorly if they do not give him everything he wants.

However, there is no evidence of him being a racist. Quite the opposite in his history and actions.

All of the things you've listed are things Bill Clinton was accussed of too -- being a racist with his crime reform Bill and the superpredators thing, as well as the way he rain campaigns in the 70s and 80s -- in Arkansas -- remember, he was a successful politician in Arkansas. He was accused of being a fraudster and a con artist with land deals and other financial chicanery, and he was accused of being a rapist (Juanita Broadrick and others) and a misogynist womanizer. Yet, for all those allegations, many people supported him and still support him. Are they also to receive condemnation, because the supported a politician who was arguably all of those things you descry?

You can't see how I can be considered a good person? Well, in my favor I would argue that one can support a politician who has lots of failings, and still be a good person. It is also quite possible to disagree in assessing the negatives associated with a particular person. Maybe we just disagree, as I noted, as to some or all of the factors that you appear to take for granted.

Is Hillary Clinton a good person? Can you see how she could be a good person?

Who was Hillary praising there? Senator Robert Byrd (Democrat - WV), former Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan.

The same guy who said, "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." — Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (Democrat - MS) And, "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."

Bill Clinton and Al Gore - Sons of the New South, complete with confederate flag regalia.... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 58b3848879

How could one be a good person, and support a racist?

[pErvinalia]

42 selectively editing history again.

Byrd initially compiled a mixed record on the subjects of race relations and desegregation.[59] While he initially voted against civil rights legislation, in 1959 he hired one of the Capitol's first black congressional aides, and he also took steps to integrate the United States Capitol Police for the first time since Reconstruction.[60] Beginning in the 1970s, Byrd explicitly renounced his earlier views favoring racial segregation.[20][61] Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964[62] and would change it if he had the opportunity. Byrd also said that his views changed dramatically after his teenage grandson was killed in a 1982 traffic accident, which put him in a deep emotional valley. "The death of my grandson caused me to stop and think," said Byrd, adding he came to realize that African-Americans love their children as much as he does his.[63] During debate in 1983 over the passage of the law creating the Martin Luther King Jr. Day holiday, Byrd grasped the symbolism of the day and its significance to his legacy, telling members of his staff "I'm the only one in the Senate who must vote for this bill".[60]

[Forty Two]

They don't think they have a choice. They're wrong. Chick fil a is still doing great business, and they flat out did oppose gay marriage.

What are the odds Starbucks has anything like a genuine problem here?

They don't. If anyone thought they really kicked black people out, they'd have a problem. But pretty much everyone has been to a Starbucks, and everyone knows they serve customers equally. Nobody gives a fuck if a black guy is in Starbucks. The very idea that this is something that a clerk at Starbucks would try to do is ridiculous. That $10 an hour clerk doesn't give a fuck who buys coffee there. They just don't want paying customers coming in and seeing that people are taking up tables without paying. The tables are there for customers.

[Forty Two]

Just dont go to Starbucks. They dont serve coffee anyway.

Never been in one in ever. More American crap.

Yeah! It sucks! I never tried it, but I know it sucks!

[Forty Two]

Hang on. Starbucks doesn't serve coffee?

no it doesn't, I'm not even sure that what it serves deserves the titler of coffee byproduct...... what coffee they have is not roasted, it's burned beyond recognition, and only an ignorant fool would go there for a cup of espresso...

That's the problem I have with Starbucks. The coffee is burned, which is how they use cheaper beans to make a stronger tasting coffee, and people add massive amounts of cream and sugars to compensate. I don't enjoy Starbucks coffee at all.

[Joe]

Hang on. Starbucks doesn't serve coffee?

no it doesn't, I'm not even sure that what it serves deserves the titler of coffee byproduct...... what coffee they have is not roasted, it's burned beyond recognition, and only an ignorant fool would go there for a cup of espresso...

That's the problem I have with Starbucks. The coffee is burned, which is how they use cheaper beans to make a stronger tasting coffee, and people add massive amounts of cream and sugars to compensate. I don't enjoy Starbucks coffee at all.

Yeah, they are nicknamed "Charbucks" in certain quarters. I've heard it's a style preferred in the wet northwestern US, but it's not to my liking.

[Svartalf]

interestingly, charred coffee might be southern trend : the two highest kinds of roast are respectively Italian (highest) and French... personally I prefer lighter roasts.

[laklak]

Heaven is a place where coffee tastes as good as it smells.

And the women are all beautiful and the children are all above average.

[Sean Hayden]

Honestly, I don't think I've had a great cup of coffee in almost 20 years. The last great coffee I had was just some yirgacheffee beans from a grocery store in Austin I can't remember the name of. --french pressed that coffee was divine

[Brian Peacock]

Yay! A thread of white people talking about how the discrimination they don't suffer from in society is no big deal.

Maybe in Ireland blacks are singled out in this way, but in the US, I assure, you, loitering without being a customer of the store is frowned upon regardless of race, color, creed or national origin.

Loitering for two minutes is a problem!?

[Brian Peacock]

They don't think they have a choice. They're wrong. Chick fil a is still doing great business, and they flat out did oppose gay marriage.

What are the odds Starbucks has anything like a genuine problem here?

They don't. If anyone thought they really kicked black people out, they'd have a problem. But pretty much everyone has been to a Starbucks, and everyone knows they serve customers equally. Nobody gives a fuck if a black guy is in Starbucks. The very idea that this is something that a clerk at Starbucks would try to do is ridiculous. That $10 an hour clerk doesn't give a fuck who buys coffee there. They just don't want paying customers coming in and seeing that people are taking up tables without paying. The tables are there for customers.

I don't think Starbucks has a problem either, but still, the manager called 911 two minutes after the dudes arrived through the door.

[Hermit]

42 selectively editing history again.

Byrd initially compiled a mixed record on the subjects of race relations and desegregation.[59] While he initially voted against civil rights legislation, in 1959 he hired one of the Capitol's first black congressional aides, and he also took steps to integrate the United States Capitol Police for the first time since Reconstruction.[60] Beginning in the 1970s, Byrd explicitly renounced his earlier views favoring racial segregation.[20][61] Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964[62] and would change it if he had the opportunity. Byrd also said that his views changed dramatically after his teenage grandson was killed in a 1982 traffic accident, which put him in a deep emotional valley. "The death of my grandson caused me to stop and think," said Byrd, adding he came to realize that African-Americans love their children as much as he does his.[63] During debate in 1983 over the passage of the law creating the Martin Luther King Jr. Day holiday, Byrd grasped the symbolism of the day and its significance to his legacy, telling members of his staff "I'm the only one in the Senate who must vote for this bill".[60]

Hey, whaddya reckon the chances are 42 will ignore your post?

Oh, look, he already has. Spent over two hours and ten posts studiously circumventing yours.

Don't point it out to him, though. He'll go all huffy if you do.

[JimC]

Seriously, the coffee in Melbourne specialist cafes is fucking unbelievably good, and you often have a wide range to choose from. We are the barista, hipster capital of Australia, nay, the World!

[Seabass]

However, there is no evidence of him being a racist.

It is truly astounding that you can say shit like this with a straight face. I mean seriously, you're maybe one rank below Galaxian and Superuniverse on the Crazy Scale.

[Seabass]

However, there is no evidence of him being a racist.

It is truly astounding that you can say shit like this with a straight face. I mean seriously, you're maybe one rank below Galaxian and Superuniverse on the Crazy Scale.

I take that back. You're every bit as nutty as they are.