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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:44 am

Cunt wrote:
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:funny:

I love when you white-knight Coito. I find it highly entertaining. More please!
You are blinded by your slave-like loyalty to the Democrats. You can see SO much wrong with republicans, but don't have the wit to see anything right with them.

What if it was discovered that a republican installed your toilet, electricity and water. Will you stop using any of them? Or just keep screeching about how they aren't good for anything?

If your car was broken down, would you let a republican fix it? Or just take public transit while learning to repair it yourself?
What does political ideology have to do with toilets or cars? :think: This line of "reasoning" is retarded even by your standards, Cunt.
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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by Cunt » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:20 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:44 am
Cunt wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:13 pm
Seabass wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:09 pm
:funny:

I love when you white-knight Coito. I find it highly entertaining. More please!
You are blinded by your slave-like loyalty to the Democrats. You can see SO much wrong with republicans, but don't have the wit to see anything right with them.

What if it was discovered that a republican installed your toilet, electricity and water. Will you stop using any of them? Or just keep screeching about how they aren't good for anything?

If your car was broken down, would you let a republican fix it? Or just take public transit while learning to repair it yourself?
What does political ideology have to do with toilets or cars? :think: This line of "reasoning" is retarded even by your standards, Cunt.
It's because he has espoused the notion that republicans conservatives aren't worth much, and I'm betting that half the stuff that keeps him alive and comfortable was done by those...those people.

Kind of like shitiots complaining about the lack of equality in the most equal societies which have ever existed.
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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by JimC » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:30 am

The absurdity, Cunt, is that he is talking about how bad the policies and ethics of republican leadership, which is nothing whatsoever to do with the everyday jobs done in a community by people of all political stripes.

You may get more mileage out of whether he would want to socialise with republican voters - in today's Disunited States, social contact between the 2 is probably less and less, I imagine...
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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by Cunt » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:35 am

JimC wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:30 am
The absurdity, Cunt, is that he is talking about how bad the policies and ethics of republican leadership, which is nothing whatsoever to do with the everyday jobs done in a community by people of all political stripes.

You may get more mileage out of whether he would want to socialise with republican voters - in today's Disunited States, social contact between the 2 is probably less and less, I imagine...
Social contact is less and less everywhere I know about, JimC. A pal of mine today, was just telling me that her girl was very lonely. Breaks my fucking heart, knowing that she is FAR from the only one.

Young people are getting laid less. Old people are getting visited less. Kids are out meeting new kids less. So many DRASTIC changes in the last few decades around social lives, that I don't think global warming is a significant threat.

I think the social rot is a MUCH more imminent danger to us...and I DO think global warming is a huge danger (though not as much as Gore would have had us believe a few years ago)
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Update: I've been offered one!
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It is actually quite easy. A woman has at least one X chromosome.
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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by Cunt » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:37 am

And JimC, many are treating anyone who would vote republican as every bit as distasteful as the far-right loonies...I think a result of that social rot...we just aren't giving people as much practice disagreeing anymore.
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Joe wrote:
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he doesn't communicate

The 'Walsh Question' 'What Is A Woman?' I'll put an answer here when someone posts one that is clear and comprehensible, by apostates to the Faith.

Update: I've been offered one!
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It is actually quite easy. A woman has at least one X chromosome.
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Post by Tero » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:44 am

Heck said Butina is just "one of many. We have now documented that there were at least 16 Trump operatives who had communication or interaction with Russians or Russian operatives during the course of the campaign, so she doesn't stand out all by herself."
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:46 am

Cunt wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:20 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:44 am
Cunt wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:13 pm
Seabass wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:09 pm
:funny:

I love when you white-knight Coito. I find it highly entertaining. More please!
You are blinded by your slave-like loyalty to the Democrats. You can see SO much wrong with republicans, but don't have the wit to see anything right with them.

What if it was discovered that a republican installed your toilet, electricity and water. Will you stop using any of them? Or just keep screeching about how they aren't good for anything?

If your car was broken down, would you let a republican fix it? Or just take public transit while learning to repair it yourself?
What does political ideology have to do with toilets or cars? :think: This line of "reasoning" is retarded even by your standards, Cunt.
It's because he has espoused the notion that republicans conservatives aren't worth much, and I'm betting that half the stuff that keeps him alive and comfortable was done by those...those people.
Aren't worth much in the political arena.
Kind of like shitiots complaining about the lack of equality in the most equal societies which have ever existed.
This is retarded logic even by your standards. Being the most equal societies that have ever existed doesn't mean there is no inequality that needs addressing.
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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:49 am

Cunt wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:35 am
JimC wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:30 am
The absurdity, Cunt, is that he is talking about how bad the policies and ethics of republican leadership, which is nothing whatsoever to do with the everyday jobs done in a community by people of all political stripes.

You may get more mileage out of whether he would want to socialise with republican voters - in today's Disunited States, social contact between the 2 is probably less and less, I imagine...
Social contact is less and less everywhere I know about, JimC. A pal of mine today, was just telling me that her girl was very lonely. Breaks my fucking heart, knowing that she is FAR from the only one.

Young people are getting laid less. Old people are getting visited less. Kids are out meeting new kids less. So many DRASTIC changes in the last few decades around social lives, that I don't think global warming is a significant threat.

I think the social rot is a MUCH more imminent danger to us...and I DO think global warming is a huge danger (though not as much as Gore would have had us believe a few years ago)
I agree that social "rot" is a big problem too. But it's only exacerbated by the consumer capitalism at all costs. The type of economic situation the Republicans particularly champion. Not that most Democrat politicians are qualitatively different, IMO. But the right is the champion of economic liberalisation.
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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:35 am

Tero wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:44 am
Heck said Butina is just "one of many. We have now documented that there were at least 16 Trump operatives who had communication or interaction with Russians or Russian operatives during the course of the campaign, so she doesn't stand out all by herself."
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/12/politi ... cnn.com%2F
Well Putin had never heard of her before she was arrested, and none of his intelligence chiefs had any idea either! :lol:

'Russia: Putin says he only heard of alleged spy after arrest'
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that he had never heard of a woman who is accused of spying for Moscow in the United States until her July arrest.

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Putin said at a meeting of the presidential human rights council on Tuesday that he asked Russian intelligence services for information about 30-year-old Butina after he heard about the "poor girl" who faces 15 years in prison.

"When I heard that something is happening to her, I just went to all intelligence chiefs and asked who she was," he said in televised remarks after a council member raised the issue of defending the rights of Russians abroad. "No one knows anything about her."
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Post by Tero » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:15 pm

Well, Putin already had a spy: Trump.
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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:57 pm

Forty Two wrote:
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What I simply cannot understand is that Americans (at least Trump supporters) can see nothing wrong with their leader paying regular hush money to prostitutes, whether or not such actions skate below a legal line.

Leadership was once about gravitas, dignity and honourable actions...
They weren't prostitutes.

Leadership was once about the appearance of gravitas, dignity and honorable actions. However, what would one say about John F. Kennedy's dalliances. And, he absolutely paid hush money to women he banged, which were legion.

I don't know, I guess I view paying a woman to keep quiet about an affair to be certainly not "good," in the Sunday School sense of the word. But, it's "meh" in the sense of what powerful people do day to day. Trump got caught. That's the only difference. It's not as if the other possible candidates for President didn't have their own dalliances.

And, this whole thing that Cohen said this was done to help the campaign. So what? Not all expenses that help or are intended to help the campaign are campaign expenditures. Under the "irrespective" test, this kind of expenditure that would exist whether or not there was a campaign, are not campaign contributions. Rich guy celebrity pays off porn star to try to hide it from his wife, family, and the public. Case close. It's that simple. Of course, the prosecutors want to spin it the other way - they're trying to get Trump, and that's the best they have. Only, the best they have is good enough to force Cohen into a plea deal because he himself had a fuck-ton of other crimes that he could not get out of, and he'd be looking at 10+ years in jail. That's the reality.

The whole idea that this is a campaign finance violation on the part of Trump is absurd. And, one of the big red flags folks should look at is that the Federal Election Commission hasn't bothered with it.
:lol: Who did you get this lot from? It beggars belief to think that paying two women to keep schtumn just before an election, one of them for the second time, is not directly related to that election.
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Post by Forty Two » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:16 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:57 pm
Forty Two wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:26 pm
JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:30 pm
What I simply cannot understand is that Americans (at least Trump supporters) can see nothing wrong with their leader paying regular hush money to prostitutes, whether or not such actions skate below a legal line.

Leadership was once about gravitas, dignity and honourable actions...
They weren't prostitutes.

Leadership was once about the appearance of gravitas, dignity and honorable actions. However, what would one say about John F. Kennedy's dalliances. And, he absolutely paid hush money to women he banged, which were legion.

I don't know, I guess I view paying a woman to keep quiet about an affair to be certainly not "good," in the Sunday School sense of the word. But, it's "meh" in the sense of what powerful people do day to day. Trump got caught. That's the only difference. It's not as if the other possible candidates for President didn't have their own dalliances.

And, this whole thing that Cohen said this was done to help the campaign. So what? Not all expenses that help or are intended to help the campaign are campaign expenditures. Under the "irrespective" test, this kind of expenditure that would exist whether or not there was a campaign, are not campaign contributions. Rich guy celebrity pays off porn star to try to hide it from his wife, family, and the public. Case close. It's that simple. Of course, the prosecutors want to spin it the other way - they're trying to get Trump, and that's the best they have. Only, the best they have is good enough to force Cohen into a plea deal because he himself had a fuck-ton of other crimes that he could not get out of, and he'd be looking at 10+ years in jail. That's the reality.

The whole idea that this is a campaign finance violation on the part of Trump is absurd. And, one of the big red flags folks should look at is that the Federal Election Commission hasn't bothered with it.
:lol: Who did you get this lot from? It beggars belief to think that paying two women to keep schtumn just before an election, one of them for the second time, is not directly related to that election.
It probably is directly related to the election. So are a lot of things that are also personal expenses that would exist irrespective of the election. People pay others to keep their mouths shut all the time, and there are many reasons to do so.

The thing is, not everything "directly related to the election" is an illegal campaign finance payment. Under the irrespective test, if the expense would exist irrespective of the election, then (even if it does benefit the election), it is still not a campaign expense.

And, since the payment is NOT ILLEGAL itself, even if you say "that was a campaign expense" then the mistake was not to report it. It's not that the expense should not legally have been undertaken, it's that the expense should have been made with campaign funds and recorded as such. Failure to do that is punished by payment of a fine. It happens all the time. It's not a big deal.
Commission regulations provide a test, called the “irrespective test,” to differentiate legitimate campaign and officeholder expenses from personal expenses. Under the “irrespective test,” personal use is any use of funds in a campaign account of a candidate (or former candidate) to fulfill a commitment, obligation or expense of any person that would exist irrespective of the candidate’s campaign or responsibilities as a federal officeholder.

More simply, if the expense would exist even in the absence of the candidacy or even if the officeholder were not in office, then the personal use ban applies.
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So, you can see here - let's call it a proposed campaign expense, and Trump and the campaign sat there and said, well, this expense will benefit the campaign, so let's use campaign funds to pay for the confidentiality agreements. And, let's say they comply with the reporting requirements so that the expenditure is reported as a campaign expense. Media is scrutinizing every penny, so -- Headline on CNN: "Trump Uses Campaign Funds to Pay off Women to Keep Quiet about Sex" -- the article wold go into how Trump was basically embezzling from the campaign to pay off women with hush money, and yet those would be declared personal expenses, not campaign expenses, because the expense (rich guy celebrity businessman paying foff women to save his reputation and protect against embarrassment) was really his own personal expense, and not properly paid with campaign money.

Alternatively, they do what they did here - use his own personal money - not campaign money - to make a legal payment for a confidentiality agreement that has non-campaign reasons for being undertaken.

Which is proper?

Because, if you say how they did was improper, because it was a campaign expense - then what you are saying is that the check should have been written to stormy daniels FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN DIRECTLY - and reported - and then everything would have been just fine. Perfectly legal use of campaign money - to pay off women he fucked to keep their yaps shut.

EDIT - take the scurrilous nature of the confidentiality agreement out of it. Let's say, instead, it was a non-disparagement and confidentiality deal where Trump paid $10,000 to a person in full and final settlement of a lawsuit against Trump - it was breach of contract, where Trump failed to meet his obligations on personal service contract to paint a portrait - Trump said the picture was substandard and didn't pay for the work - the painter sued him - in 2016, to keep the matter from going to trial, Trump settles the case which was a suit for $500,000. On the one hand, he says he would have settled the case anyway, because the $10,000 amount is far less than his legal fees would be, and there wold be no risk of losing, and it would avoid personal and business embarrassment over the matter -- on the other, the settlement helps the campaign because it would keep allegations that Trump dishonestly backed out of a deal to pay for his portrait to be painted - and as such it would help the campaign by avoiding the embarrassment and also it would save the time and energy that associated with appearing in court and such.

Is it a campaign expense? Not if it would be an expense "irrespective of" the existence of the campaign, right? Even though it might benefit the campaign, since it was an expense that existed irrespective of the campaign, the FEC would probably not want Trump using campaign funds to settle that litigation, right? That would be use of campaign funds for what the FEC considers a personal expense.

Don't you see that?
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Post by Animavore » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:21 pm

As much as I'd love to see the criminal president and his scumbag friends go behind bars where they belong we all know these people are above the law.
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