Donald is here to stay, now what? Cursing and swearing OK

[Rum]

I inhabited a sort of no man's land as regards immigration status. I've not seen much written about it but somebody should.

I was a colonial kid in Hong Kong and from the age of one year until I was 19 I spent a total of maybe 18 months in the UK on home leave. When I came 'home' to go to Art School I looked and sounded English (though I had a upper middle class accent which set me apart just a bit) but England was to all intents and purposes a foreign country to me. I had no status as an immigrant and could not use it for an excuse for the mess I made of my life in my early 20s even though in part it was the result of culture dislocation and even shock.

It took me six or seven years before England became 'home' for me.

[Tyrannical]

Emigrate is leave.
Immigrate is arrive in new country.

Just like imply / infer

[Rum]

Proof, if it were needed that the average Trump voter and average Brexit enthusiast are from the same collection of gene pool scum. One of the real dangers of Trump is the apparent permission it gives people like Tyrannical to spout their racist jingoistic poison like so many sour faced nasty little reptiles.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 57361.html

A speech by London Mayor Sadiq Khan has been disrupted by protesters shouting pro-Brexit and Pro-Donald Trump slogans.

Mr Khan’s address to a Fabian Society conference in London had to be suspended for several minutes as a result of the incident.

As he took to the podium to begin his speech, a number of people from a group called the White Pendragons got up from the audience and started holding up American flags. They called for the Mayor to be arrested, reportedly referencing his religion.

Sadiq Khan’s speech at @thefabians conference interrupted by protest by group called White Pendragon who tell me Fabians are subverting society.

One man could be heard addressing the audience with: “Ladies and gentlemen, we’re here today to make a non-violent, peaceful citizen’s arrest.”

Audience members started to heckle and slow-clap, during which security appeared.

Attempts to eject those responsible for the disruption were initially met with aversion from the protesters, one of whom could be heard saying: “We stand under Common Law jurisdiction.

”If you touch us, you’ll be done for common assault. Please stand back, do not touch us. We’re not leaving, we’ve paid for a ticket.”

He then accused the Fabian Society of “subverting” the constitution.

When Mr Khan, a long-term opponent of Mr Trump, resumed his speech after the protesters were escorted from the venue by police, he took a dig at the American president who recently described himself as a “very stable genius”.

He told delegates: “It is a pleasure to be here even though we were distracted by the actions of what some would call very stable geniuses.”

The Mayor also tried to make light of the protest with a reference to Prime Minister Theresa May’s Tory conference speech, which was interrupted by a prankster, saying: “On the plus side I wasn’t served with a P45.”

It comes a day after the Mr Khan said the US President had “got the message” that Londoners opposed his views and policies as he cancelled a planned visit to the capital.

Mr Khan the visit would have been hampered by “mass peaceful protests” as Mr Trump’s controversial views were the “polar opposite” of the city’s values.

The President said he would not visit the UK to open the new US embassy in south London and described the decision to move the building from Mayfair to Vauxhall as a “bad deal”.

[Seabass]

Vox: Trump reportedly interrupted intel briefing to ask Korean American, “Where are you from?”
He suggested the “pretty Korean lady,” who was talking about Pakistan, be reassigned to North Korea.


NBC News: Trump’s history of breaking decorum with remarks on race, ethnicity

A career intelligence analyst who is an expert in hostage policy stood before President Donald Trump in the Oval Office last fall to brief him on the impending release of a family long held in Pakistan under uncertain circumstances.

It was her first time meeting the president, and when she was done briefing, he had a question for her.

”Where are you from?” the president asked, according to two officials with direct knowledge of the exchange.

New York, she replied.

Trump was unsatisfied and asked again, the officials said. Referring to the president’s hometown, she offered that she, too, was from Manhattan. But that’s not what the president was after.

He wanted to know where “your people” are from, according to the officials, who spoke off the record due to the nature of the internal discussions.

After the analyst revealed that her parents are Korean, Trump turned to an adviser in the room and seemed to suggest her ethnicity should determine her career path, asking why the “pretty Korean lady” isn’t negotiating with North Korea on his administration’s behalf, the officials said.

A few thoughts on this anecdote, sourced to “two officials with direct knowledge of the exchange”:

Being interrogated about your background is a kind of ordinary racism that Asian Americans often have to face. One’s boss interrupting a really important work event to do it is, as the Washington Post’s Brian Fung tweeted, “every Asian-American’s worst employment nightmare.”

Think carefully about what the president is saying here. By asking her “where are you from” and not accepting New York as an answer, he’s implying that children of Asian immigrants can never truly be “from” America. This isn’t just simple bigotry; it feels like a rejection of the classic American “melting pot” ideal altogether.

Trump was so distracted by the question of his briefer’s ethnic background that he interrupted a briefing on hostages held by a terrorist group in Pakistan to interrogate her about it. This suggests he wasn’t really paying attention to what she was saying — that racism literally distracted him from doing his job.

Trump’s racism seems to make him a truly terrible manager. There’s no reason that being of Korean descent means an intelligence expert on hostage situations should be reassigned to North Korea, let alone put in charge of nuclear negotiations.

Let’s not sleep on the sexism of calling her a “pretty Korean lady,” reducing a professional woman to her physical appearance.

The intelligence community lags behind the rest of the government on racial diversity and gender equity. It is 10 percentage points whiter than the US government average, per a 2016 survey, and about 5 percentage points more male. This woman probably had to overcome a lot to get to where she ended up, and this is where she landed.

In sum: The president of the United States, the person who’s supposed to represent the best of the country, behaved in a fashion that would likely get a midlevel manager at a company fired. It’s just another day in the Trump White House.

[Animavore]

Trump's DC hotel.

[Animavore]

President Donald Trump reportedly couldn’t avoid stereotyping black people during a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus.

He had asked members of the Congressional Black Caucus in a March meeting, Vivian Salama reported for NBC News on Friday, if they personally knew Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, who is black. He was surprised when none of the attendees did, two meeting attendees told Salama.

That wasn’t the end of it. In the same meeting, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus told Trump that welfare cuts would hurt her constituents, “not all of whom are black.” Trump then reportedly responded, “Really? Then what are they?”

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/1/1 ... ack-caucus

[Brian Peacock]

If people keep posting not serious comments I'm going to merge this with the fun thread!

[JimC]

If people keep posting not serious comments I'm going to merge this with the fun thread!

Trump is a tragedy and a comedy both at the same time!

[mistermack]

Do you immigrate, emigrate or migrate to a country? I always thought you emigrated to a country.

Good question. As a proofreader, I should know this -- and I was in agreement with you until I looked it up:

• Emigrate is from the point of view of the departure. Think exit.
  Immigrate is from the point of view of the destination. Think come in.
  Migrate is all about the moving. Think move."

Integrate means not walking around in desert robes, or covering yourself all over in black sheets and veils, and learning the language, and not blowing things up.

[Tero]

And Toto!

“Look, Foreigner are a bunch of losers who play low-energy, overrated noise. I’m surprised they can even speak English, considering they’re not even from this country. They don’t belong here, and the idea of anyone not born here makes me uneasy,” said President Trump of the half-British, half-American band. “All the good classic rocking is going to Foreigner and Foreigner tribute bands. These people are taking valuable State Fair jobs from Styx, Toto, and whatever version of L.A. Guns is going around.”

http://thehardtimes.net/music/trump-bans-foreigner/

[Tero]

No DACA deal. Trump to send some of the kids back to shitholes:
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/14/politics/ ... index.html

[Seabass]

Historian finds German decree banishing Trump's grandfather

A historian has discovered a royal decree issued to Donald Trump’s grandfather ordering him to leave Germany and never come back.

Friedrich Trump, a German, was issued with the document in February 1905, and ordered to leave the kingdom of Bavaria within eight weeks as punishment for having failed to do mandatory military service and failing to give authorities notice of his departure to the US when he first emigrated in 1885.

[Forty Two]

No DACA deal. Trump to send some of the kids back to shitholes:
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/14/politics/ ... index.html

All the Dems have to do is compromise, and offer a border security deal including some of the wall. They'd prefer to obstruct border security, rather than compromise, I guess.

[Tero]

The wall is a shithole and useless expense. Only the most desperate try to cross the border where the wall would go. Tons just go through it legally.

[Forty Two]

The wall is a shithole and useless expense. Only the most desperate try to cross the border where the wall would go. Tons just go through it legally.

Sure, tons just go through legally, and those aren't the ones that the wall is designed to keep out. The ones that go through legally are in a completely different status, even if they overstay, than those who cross illegally. That's a fundamentally important distinction in immigration law.

And, the opposition to your position disagrees with you. Hence the need to compromise. If the countries from which these folks came from are not "shitholes" then it's not really a big problem to send these illegal border crossers back to their very nice, respectable, home countries.