Bible-Thumper Roy Moore Accused of Hanky-Panky

[Tero]

There are some considerations to age difference. Nearly all couples that started having sex at 17 will have one partner turn 18 before the other one. They should then stop, wait till both are 18?

[L'Emmerdeur]

The Republican National Committee has backed away from the (alleged) fondler of young girls.

'RNC cuts off Moore'

The Republican National Committee is withdrawing its support for besieged Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, leaving him increasingly isolated as he confronts charges of sexual misconduct with teenagers.

The RNC is pulling out of a joint fundraising agreement it had with Moore, according to a senior party official briefed on the decision. It is also canceling a field program it had set up ahead of the state’s Dec. 12 special election. The committee had about a dozen paid canvassers in Alabama working for Moore. It will no longer transfer any money to the race.

[Brian Peacock]

How immoral would it be for a 14 year old boy to have sex with a 14 year old girl?
Fine

How immoral would it be for a 30 year old boy...I mean judge... to have sex with a 14 year old girl?
Wrong

That's how you feel about it, and I don't disagree. However, right and wrong don't ACTUALLY exist, except as a consensus of opinion of society.

In law, as I said, the only measure of right or wrong is the age of the younger party. The age of the 30 year old is irrelevant. Move it up two years, and a 32 year old judge fucking a 16 year old girl is perfectly legal.
If it is immoral, why is it still legal?

The truth is, it's another grey area for morals, when we crave for black and white.

It's made greyer by the presumption of the possibility of moral absolutes. Sure, right and wrong are judgement calls, but there's nothing to stop us arguing for or agin a premise on the basis of simple precepts like the reduction of harm and the extent of personal resonsibility. Just because this is subjective, and therefore difficult to codify and apply in a broader context, doesn't make everyone's values, judgements, and actions either morally equivalent or essentially worthless and irrelevant. It should also be noted that the law, which is fundamentally absolute in nature, doesn't define or determine the extent of morally but the extent of legality - morality and legality are not synonyms.

[NineBerry]

At least in Germany, the law is quite complex. It is not solely age-based. It factors in the age of the younger participant, but also the age of the older participant, and also the relationship between the two persons. A judge as the older partner would potentially be more considered performing an illegal act than some other random person, for example.

[Seabass]

[Forty Two]

How immoral would it be for a 14 year old boy to have sex with a 14 year old girl?
Fine

How immoral would it be for a 30 year old boy...I mean judge... to have sex with a 14 year old girl?
Wrong

That's how you feel about it, and I don't disagree. However, right and wrong don't ACTUALLY exist, except as a consensus of opinion of society.

In law, as I said, the only measure of right or wrong is the age of the younger party. The age of the 30 year old is irrelevant. Move it up two years, and a 32 year old judge fucking a 16 year old girl is perfectly legal.
If it is immoral, why is it still legal?

The truth is, it's another grey area for morals, when we crave for black and white.

Well, to me, a 14 year old girl is a teenager - an adolescent. I think there would be typically nothing illegal about two 14 year olds having sex, or a 15 and a 14 year old, although jurisdictions do differ.

Where a person is 32 years old, though, and the law says that under 16 cannot legally consent to sex, or that it is statutory rape for the adult to have sex with the 15 year old, then it's up to the adult to know the law and govern his or her behavior. With respect to the conduct alleged of Moore, I don't think the woman says he fucked her - I was pretty sure it was kissing and fondling, which would be a lesser charge.

For me, personally, as a voter, I would wonder about this guy. But, I've always had sort of a suspicion about guys who dated young girls. When I was a lad of 21, i wouldn't have dated a girl who was in high school. I always found that a little weird.

But, I wouldn't have voted for Roy Moore in the first place, as his politics and lawlessness as a judge are enough. He's nobody I would want in Congress.

[Tero]

Roy Moore’s attorney claims MSNBC host is too ‘diverse’ to understand Alabama dating norms

Why would Roy Moore need a mom's permission to date her daughter?P

[JimC]

Roy Moore’s attorney claims MSNBC host is too ‘diverse’ to understand Alabama dating norms

Why would Roy Moore need a mom's permission to date her daughter?P

In Alabama, it is customary to give mom a little present as part of the gaining permission process.

Or fuck her, whichever works...

[Tero]

So bring 2 condoms? One for mom, one for daughter?

[Tero]

Fake penis in her mouth! Fake autograph!
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/politics/ ... index.html

[Tero]

”Would you be available for a quick blow job in the school parking lot? My car has darkened windows.”

A High School Senior Wouldn’t Give Roy Moore Her Number So She Says He Called Her at School

[Forty Two]

Roy Moore’s attorney claims MSNBC host is too ‘diverse’ to understand Alabama dating norms

Why would Roy Moore need a mom's permission to date her daughter?P

The guy's an old man. Throughout Europe and the US, back in the day, permission to date a daughter was commonplace. Like when Michael Corleone has to respectfully ask for permission from Apollonia's father in Sicily to date his daughter. "I want to meet your daughter - with your permission, and under the supervision of your family."

It was also much more common for teenagers to date in the past. Romeo and Juliet were middle schoolers, and in the past it was far more common even in Europe for older men to seek out teenage girls.

The newer usage of the word "pedophile" tends to include anyone who is "underage" in the sense of modern sensibilities, which use 18 as the bellweather, and 16 tends to be the lower age. But, pedophilia really is limited to attraction to prepubescent kids, and traditionally, once people hit their teens matches could be made.

The notion of "dating" is a fairly recent phenomenon, and in the past it was more of arrangements, permission from parents/fathers, and "courting" under the auspices of proper family supervision.

In England and Wales the general age at which a person may marry is 18, but 16- or 17-year-olds may get married with their parents' or guardians' consent. This is a holdover from the days where parental consent was thought relevant in these matters.

[Tero]

Roy Moore Refusing To Withdraw From Alabama 13-Year-Old

[Brian Peacock]

Roy Moore’s attorney claims MSNBC host is too ‘diverse’ to understand Alabama dating norms

Why would Roy Moore need a mom's permission to date her daughter?P

The guy's an old man. Throughout Europe and the US, back in the day, permission to date a daughter was commonplace. Like when Michael Corleone has to respectfully ask for permission from Apollonia's father in Sicily to date his daughter. "I want to meet your daughter - with your permission, and under the supervision of your family."

It was also much more common for teenagers to date in the past. Romeo and Juliet were middle schoolers, and in the past it was far more common even in Europe for older men to seek out teenage girls.

The newer usage of the word "pedophile" tends to include anyone who is "underage" in the sense of modern sensibilities, which use 18 as the bellweather, and 16 tends to be the lower age. But, pedophilia really is limited to attraction to prepubescent kids, and traditionally, once people hit their teens matches could be made.

The notion of "dating" is a fairly recent phenomenon, and in the past it was more of arrangements, permission from parents/fathers, and "courting" under the auspices of proper family supervision.

In England and Wales the general age at which a person may marry is 18, but 16- or 17-year-olds may get married with their parents' or guardians' consent. This is a holdover from the days where parental consent was thought relevant in these matters.

So is a 30-something guy asking a parent if he can date their underage daughter an 'Alabama dating norm' - a quaint hangover from a more genteel era?

[Forty Two]

I wouldn't call it more genteel, but if you think about other southern folks in decades past - Elvis Presley was 24 when he started out with Priscilla, who was 14. That was 1959, and they "courted" for 8 years, and married in 1967. Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 year old in 1957. I'm not defending it. However, back then, a lot of the communities there were farming based, and there were lots of kids. There was a tendency to marry young, so that girls would be supported by someone else. Roy Moore was brought up at that time, late 50s, early 60s, when such marriages and courtships would not have raised too many eyebrows.

I still don't support him, though. Just to be clear. His politics are not mine, and his conduct as a judge was lawless. He's nobody I want near a young girl, or the Capitol building.