Is Facebook killing freedom and liberty?

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Re: Is Facebook is killing freedom and liberty?

Post by Feck » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:25 am

No Face -fuck isn't killing "freedom " or " liberty " I mean, not like Pro-Tools killed music
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Re: Is Facebook is killing freedom and liberty?

Post by cronus » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:08 am

UKIP is the mp3 of politics. :coffee:
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:56 am

Hermit wrote:Back on topic, manipulating people's opinions, spreading fake news and statistically analysing populations are all ancient. Sites like Facebook just make it easier, more thorough and more systematic, but to say Facebook is killing freedom and liberty is the result of a lopsided view and an exaggeration. The same sites that facilitate manipulation through misinformation also enable more systematic opposition to it. Nothing kills freedom and liberty more effectively than the recognition of what neoliberalism really is and turning to populist demagogues in the hope that therein lies a solution to one's woes.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:43 pm

cronus wrote:UKIP is the quicktime of politics. :coffee:
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Re: Is Facebook is killing freedom and liberty?

Post by Hermit » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:28 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Hermit wrote:Back on topic, manipulating people's opinions, spreading fake news and statistically analysing populations are all ancient. Sites like Facebook just make it easier, more thorough and more systematic, but to say Facebook is killing freedom and liberty is the result of a lopsided view and an exaggeration. The same sites that facilitate manipulation through misinformation also enable more systematic opposition to it. Nothing kills freedom and liberty more effectively than the recognition of what neoliberalism really is and turning to populist demagogues in the hope that therein lies a solution to one's woes.
Bollocks.

https://socialmediaweek.org/blog/2015/0 ... ug-choice/

Of course it is an addiction.
Social media on the internet are huge and millions of users are addicted to them. That's what your infographic shows. It does not contradict anything I posted, though.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:32 pm

So addiction does not restrict freedom?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:38 pm

If, for the sake of argument, we accept that the use of social media can be an addiction, perhaps along the lines of compulsions to eating, sex, gambling, or shopping etc, what might be a good treatment for it?
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:50 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:If, for the sake of argument, we accept that the use of social media can be an addiction, perhaps along the lines of compulsions to eating, sex, gambling, or shopping etc, what might be a good treatment for it?
It is not a question of argument as it has been proven to addictive to a point that it controls peoples lives. Like I said take kids to an area where there zilch internet for two weeks. It is cold turkey but it does work.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:51 pm

I know someone who regularly stops drinking for two weeks at a time. It doesn't stop them being an alcoholic.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:28 pm

Not all addictions are the same now are they. :bored:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:17 pm

I'm just saying there's more to it than simply denying access to the object of obsession.
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Re: Is Facebook is killing freedom and liberty?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:54 pm

Apparently it is sufficient to cure you of social media. It is becoming not cool to have an account on the many social media's.
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Re: Is Facebook is killing freedom and liberty?

Post by Hermit » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:06 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:So addiction does not restrict freedom?
You're just trying to change the subject now. The article quoted in the opening post asks: "Do social media threaten democracy?"
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Re: Is Facebook is killing freedom and liberty?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:13 pm

Social media is addictive. Addiction affects democracy by affecting choice. That is why the orange turd is in power.
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Re: Is Facebook is killing freedom and liberty?

Post by JimC » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:47 pm

I think it is dumbing you all down. Yes, you!

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