Celebrity Sexual Harassment Charge Sheet

[Seabass]

All these revelations - I don't even need to add to the list - more against Kevin Spacey -- other actors involved - it's really starting to make me wonder if I underestimate the awfulness of people in the world. I mean, I genuine assume that people that would act like Weinstein or Kevin Spacey are few and far between - sick fucks. Maybe my libido just isn't at a level like this. I mean - I wouldn't even want to do the things these asshats do, even if I thought I could get away with it.

Tell me about it. I mean, millions of people actually voted for notorious sexist, serial harasser, and proud pussy grabber Donald Trump for president. How could so many people be so awful? It truly boggles the mind.

[DRSB]

Harassment is not only being grabbed somewhere or being order to grab things, it is also being told off as being hormonal, aggressive and bitchy for calling people out on their inappropriate behaviour or just for stating a contrarian opinion resolutely.

[Tyrannical]

Tell me about it. I mean, millions of people actually voted for notorious sexist, serial harasser, and proud pussy grabber Donald Trump for president. How could so many people be so awful? It truly boggles the mind.

Trump isn't a notorious sexist and serial harasser. BUT Bill Clinton IS and so are a lot of Hillary's Hollywood pals.

Democrats: The party of Rape and Sexual Harassment.

[Svartalf]

sez the guy whose party elected a self admitted pussy grabber...

[mistermack]

Trump isn't a notorious sexist and serial harasser. BUT Bill Clinton IS

What planet have you been on ???

Bill Clinton did NOT have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinski.

[Svartalf]

well he still got blown up uranus

[Seabass]

Tell me about it. I mean, millions of people actually voted for notorious sexist, serial harasser, and proud pussy grabber Donald Trump for president. How could so many people be so awful? It truly boggles the mind.

Trump isn't a notorious sexist and serial harasser. BUT Bill Clinton IS and so are a lot of Hillary's Hollywood pals.

Democrats: The party of Rape and Sexual Harassment.

Trump voters are like Hitler voters, but fatter and dumber.

[Forty Two]

Harassment is not only being grabbed somewhere or being order to grab things, it is also being told off as being hormonal, aggressive and bitchy for calling people out on their inappropriate behaviour or just for stating a contrarian opinion resolutely.

Actually, it isn't. Being told off is not harassment. Harassment generally involves conduct that is is severe or pervasive enough to create a hostile, abusive or intimidating environment. So, if someone calls another person a bitch, for example, that's not necessarily harassment. If, however, they do it to the point where it's so severe and pervasive that the environment is abusive or intimidating, then it becomes harassment.

By your definition, women telling off men as being "pigs" and sutch or telling them off as toxically masculine and overloaded with testosterone would be "harassment."

[mistermack]

If you want to discuss the rich and powerful exploiting innocent young girls, you can't get a clearer example than Prince Charles.

He used the prestige of his position to con an innocent young girl into acting as a brood mare for him to breed from. While all the time carrying on his relations with the woman he actually wanted.

It's a lot more disgusting, than some sad wanker old politician having a quick feel of a party worker.

[Forty Two]

Well, that's what happens with welfare cases on the dole.

[pErvinalia]

Harassment is not only being grabbed somewhere or being order to grab things, it is also being told off as being hormonal, aggressive and bitchy for calling people out on their inappropriate behaviour or just for stating a contrarian opinion resolutely.

Actually, it isn't. Being told off is not harassment. Harassment generally involves conduct that is is severe or pervasive enough to create a hostile, abusive or intimidating environment. So, if someone calls another person a bitch, for example, that's not necessarily harassment. If, however, they do it to the point where it's so severe and pervasive that the environment is abusive or intimidating, then it becomes harassment.

By your definition, women telling off men as being "pigs" and sutch or telling them off as toxically masculine and overloaded with testosterone would be "harassment."

Yeah, what about the men?!!!

[Forty Two]

I didn't ask "what about the men?" I identified a discrepancy in the definition of harassment posed. Obviously, it's not harassment to tell men off as pigs and such, or tell them off as toxically masculine and overloaded with testosterone, etc. Just as it would not be "harassment" to tell a woman off as overly hormonal, etc. That's not "what about the men?"

Harassment has to be severe and pervasive, and create an environment which is hostile and offense. That's in the employment context. In the non-employment world, like, in daily life, it's even harder for conduct to rise to the level of harassment. For example, under the law in my jurisdiction, “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose. And, by “Course of conduct” they mean a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of “course of conduct.” To be a violation of the law, the conduct amounting to harassment must be done wilfully/intentionally and unless the person is under 16, has to involve a "credible threat" of injury or to put the person in fear of injury (or occur after a restraining order or other order of the court has been entered against the violator).

So, "harassment" in terms of the employment context is one thing, and harassment in terms of daily life outside of that context is another.

And it's not harassment to express political opinions - like "women should be in the kitchen" or that they shouldn't have the right to vote.

The wording of the law in this area varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but the tension is between protecting people from the dick-bag making threats and otherwise badgering/bothering another person for no reason and to the point where it's significant, on the one hand, and making sure that political and other opinions, no matter how distasteful, are still permitted. It can sometimes be a difficult line.

[pErvinalia]

I didn't ask "what about the men?"

Yeah, sure you didn't. That's why you diverted a comment about harassment against women to a hypothetical about harassment against men.

I identified a discrepancy in the definition of harassment posed. Obviously, it's not harassment to tell men off as pigs and such, or tell them off as toxically masculine and overloaded with testosterone, etc. Just as it would not be "harassment" to tell a woman off as overly hormonal, etc. That's not "what about the men?"

That's fucking exactly what it is. It's diverting from the fact that women face a power imbalance and harassment is a bigger issue for them.

[Forty Two]

I didn't ask "what about the men?"

Yeah, sure you didn't. That's why you diverted a comment about harassment against women to a hypothetical about harassment against men.

I was addressing the definition posed, which was inaccurate. There is nothing "what about the men?" about using the hypothetical I used. It illustrated the defect in the definition, which was to include something that was not sexual harassment within the definition of sexual harassment.

I identified a discrepancy in the definition of harassment posed. Obviously, it's not harassment to tell men off as pigs and such, or tell them off as toxically masculine and overloaded with testosterone, etc. Just as it would not be "harassment" to tell a woman off as overly hormonal, etc. That's not "what about the men?"

That's fucking exactly what it is. It's diverting from the fact that women face a power imbalance and harassment is a bigger issue for them.

No it isn't, not in the least. Whether "women" as a sex face a power imbalance and consider harassment a bigger issue doesn't change the definition of sexual harassment, which would not include merely telling a woman off as hormonal.

I find it funny that I'm the one accused of having my knickers in a twist, and you like to tell me to go to a safe space and you like to call me a snowflake, over and over again, but you get so upset and knicker-twisted so quickly. LOL. "That's FUCKING exactly what it is" you say... lol. Can't you just disagree with me and say that you think you know what I really mean, even though I didn't say it, and that what I really meant was "what about the men?" to focus on male victims of sexual harassment instead?

Go ahead now - get angry about it - tell me how I'm an rwnj and you know what I really mean here, and that what I said wasn't what I really meant. For good measure, add that I'm clueless, you've explained this to me all before time and time again, I'm focusing on issues of no concern and insufficient significance in your estimation, and I love infowars and fox news, and I'm a snowflake and should go to my safe space. Those are all tried-and-true arguments.

[pErvinalia]

Me swearing isn't === to being upset. I'm Australian. That's just how we talk.