"Alt-right" Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

[Forty Two]

So it's the act of buying equipment which moves something from free speech to criminal territory? Sounds like a pretty arbitrary philosophy you've got there. What if they already have the equipment in normal everyday life (like axes, hammers, cars, and in the US - guns)? Why is it free speech to say that you want all black people dead, but not free speech if you say we should run over black people with our car?

It's an overt act of some kind toward carrying out the crime. For example, if you and your mates are chatting around the poker table, and you started discussing the best ways to assassinate Donald Trump, and discussed how much you want to do it, and how you would accomplish the task, that would only become criminal if you committed some sort of an act toward the commission of the crime.

It's like if you are conspiring with your friends to buy illegal marijuana. You can talk all you want about buying marijuana, where to buy it, how to buy it, how great it is to smoke it, etc., but unless you take a step toward committing the crime, it's not a criminal conspiracy. That's basic law in all countries descended from England and the UK.

It's not arbitrary, as it makes the distinction between "talking about doing something" and "doing something." You're allowed to talk about committing crimes.

It's free speech to say you "want" anyone dead. Black people. Donald Trump. Anyone. Why wouldn't it be?

It's also free speech to say you want to run over black people, or white people, or donald Trump, with your car. Here, "I want to run over Donald Trump with my car." Free speech. I own a car. Still free speech. Also, saying "I want so and so dead" is not a conspiracy at all, since just tellling someone what you want to do is not a conspiracy with them. However, if I make significant steps toward committing the crime, it could be an "attempt" to commit the crime.

These things are fact intensive - there can be a myriad "overt acts" that can show that the person is in process of committing the crime. The standard is, of course, that the overt act must be such that it can be proved "beyond a reasonable doubt." Saying "I want to run over donald trump with my car" is not, by itself, a criminal conspiracy for a couple reasons - a "conspiracy" involves two or more people, so an expression of desire to do something is not a criminal conspiracy - you can't "conspire" with oneself. Also, the fact that I own a car is not itself an overt act in furtherance of a conspiracy because there is reasonable doubt as to what the car was gotten for.

[L'Emmerdeur]

FYP

[L'Emmerdeur]

A way forward for those who oppose the 'alt-right'?

"Resisting the ‘alt-right’ rise"

[W]e don’t have that luxury of civil discourse when it comes to resisting the influence of extremist hate. We always need to be taking an active stance against the ideas of racial hatred and white supremacy, or risk it spreading far and wide.

But what’s the proper way to do so?

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The [Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)] strongly recommends counter-protests be held away from extremist rallies in an effort to deny these groups the attention and violence they crave.

“Every act of hatred should be met with an act of love and unity. Many communities facing a hate group rally have held alternative events at the same hour, some distance away, emphasizing strength in community and diversity,” SPLC writes. “These events give people a safe outlet for the frustration and anger they want to vent.”

While SPLC’s suggestions would lead to far safer rallies and counter-protests, I’m sure I’m not the only person who feels this strategy lacks the certain “umph” that comes from literally facing down some of our world’s most hateful ideologies. I want to show, not only to extremists but the rest of the world, that I am not afraid to stand up to bigotry and meet it head-on.

But what options do we have left? As far as I’m concerned, none. At least, not if we continue to only counter hate with our own anger and frustration.

So let’s throw something else at them, something that’ll really shake their fascist foundations: laughter.

After all, Satan hates to be mocked.

A decade ago, a group of 12 neo-Nazis held a rally on the Washington state Capitol steps. Nearly 300 people showed up to protest, but instead of expressing their outrage, they made fun of the “completely unimpressive” group by dressing up as Nazi clowns, wrote David Neiwert, a local journalist who covered the event.

“They pranced and laughed and danced in the front of the crowd, setting the lighthearted mocking tone that prevailed throughout the afternoon,” he wrote in his 2006 blog post, calling the protest of the Northwest chapter of the National Socialist Movement event one of the most effective he’s ever seen.

“By making mockery the theme of the day, it transformed the mood of the crowd from an angry one — and who wouldn’t get angry if they actually listened to what these Nazis were saying? — into a celebratory one. They played music, they danced, and made so much noise having fun that, if you were in the crowd, you couldn’t hear a word the Nazis were spewing,” Neiwert continued. “It also seemed to disorient and dishearten the Nazis… it was clear from their taunts that they hoped to spark violence from (the protesters), a la Toledo. But after awhile it became clear that their audience was, for the most part, studiously ignoring anything they had to say, and was more intent on dancing and playing music than taking after their sorry asses. And this clearly deflated them.”

Fighting hate with violence or anger, however justifiable, only feeds the trolls.

Anger is the easy. Hate is easy. These emotions give us strength and the will to act, but ultimately, they lead only to pain and suffering. We cannot afford to go down this dark path.

It will be challenging to some, and impossible for others — maybe especially for the victims of these evils, which I admit I am not.

But at the end of the day, when we gather together to protest groups like the Ku Klux Klan or the American Nazi Party, our goal shouldn’t just be to stand up to their hate.

We also have to stand up to our own.

It’s much easier to stand up against the hate you oppose than it is to confront the hate inside yourself, or in your brothers and sisters-in-arms.

But it’s the right thing to do.

We spend too much time feeding our inner darkness. The only way to win the war, not just the battle, is to embrace the light.

So when they “Sieg Heil,” we should sing “Springtime for Hitler.”

When they preach racial dominance, we host a Der Führer drag contest and set up a David Duke dunk tank.

And when they brandish their firearms and fly their flags in an attempt to frighten us, intimidate us, trick us into giving in to our own hate, we need to laugh and dance and let peace, love and light drown out the dark.

This is how we win. Everything else is a Pyrrhic victory.

Somehow I doubt that antifa is going to adopt the writer's suggested tactics, but I think his ideas have a lot of merit.

[rainbow]

Somehow I doubt that antifa is going to adopt the writer's suggested tactics, but I think his ideas have a lot of merit.

Punching Nazis in the nose is a valid form of freedom of expression.

[pErvinalia]

Interpretive dance punching.

[L'Emmerdeur]

Welp, freedom of speech still lives on at least on one college campus in the US.

'Rhodes College student's alt-right article roils Memphis campus'

A Rhodes College student's article on an alt-right website drew sharp criticism on Friday from the president of the Memphis private liberal arts college.

In a message to colleagues and students, Rhodes President Marjorie Hass said “many of us were shocked to read a hate-filled essay written by a member of our community.”

“In my view, a good way to respond to bigoted or racist speech is with a vigorous reaffirmation of our positive values,” Hass wrote. “I encourage all of us to re-read the Rhodes College statement of vision and diversity. This is who we are. These are the ideals to which we aspire. These remain untouched and unbent.”

In an article dated Wednesday on AltRight.com, Rhodes student Nick Pietrangelo attacked hypocrisy among "liberal and anti-white" millennials after Rhodes’ senior class president and various student groups opposed the Trump administration’s end to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals immigration program, announced on Tuesday.

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“Like the media, the millennials and social justice warriors will always posture and cry crocodile tears over issues like the DACA announcement,” Pietrangelo wrote.

“However, as I pointed out in my response, while their asinine views may be shared by the majority on college campuses and among the elites, millions of normal and hardworking White folks don’t give a damn about these “Dreamers” and instead harbor their own dreams of a society with free Whites, free of the troublesome burden of minorities.

“And one way or another, we will get what we want. Never forget that,” the article said.

[pErvinalia]

Someone is in need of a punch to the face.

[Sean Hayden]

"The burden of minorities" Says the kid at a liberal arts university.

That Brian, is why I never say revolution. How embarrassing really, to be American sometimes.

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But seriously, if you're interested in contributing to the cause, you can find us gathering in McDonald's playground areas, you'll know us when you see us.

[rainbow]

[Animavore]

The Alt Right menace is sea.

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/06/how ... r-enemies/

[Woodbutcher]

Welp, freedom of speech still lives on at least on one college campus in the US.

'Rhodes College student's alt-right article roils Memphis campus'

A Rhodes College student's article on an alt-right website drew sharp criticism on Friday from the president of the Memphis private liberal arts college.

In a message to colleagues and students, Rhodes President Marjorie Hass said “many of us were shocked to read a hate-filled essay written by a member of our community.”

“In my view, a good way to respond to bigoted or racist speech is with a vigorous reaffirmation of our positive values,” Hass wrote. “I encourage all of us to re-read the Rhodes College statement of vision and diversity. This is who we are. These are the ideals to which we aspire. These remain untouched and unbent.”

In an article dated Wednesday on AltRight.com, Rhodes student Nick Pietrangelo attacked hypocrisy among "liberal and anti-white" millennials after Rhodes’ senior class president and various student groups opposed the Trump administration’s end to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals immigration program, announced on Tuesday.

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“Like the media, the millennials and social justice warriors will always posture and cry crocodile tears over issues like the DACA announcement,” Pietrangelo wrote.

“However, as I pointed out in my response, while their asinine views may be shared by the majority on college campuses and among the elites, millions of normal and hardworking White folks don’t give a damn about these “Dreamers” and instead harbor their own dreams of a society with free Whites, free of the troublesome burden of minorities.

“And one way or another, we will get what we want. Never forget that,” the article said.

Pietrangelo? Sounds like a wop name to me. We all know that all of those people are all mafia criminals!

[Hermit]

Speaking about names

Rhodes President Marjorie Hass said “many of us were shocked to read a hate-filled essay

"Hass" is German for "hate".

[JimC]

Freaky!

[L'Emmerdeur]

"Alt-right" dipshit media figures and the army of Dorito dust-smeared 4chan shitposters don't want to give up their beloved Pepe.

'The Great Meme War II: Amid Lawsuit Threats, the Alt-Right Says Pepe Belongs to Them'

Pepe the Frog's creator has promised to wrestle his popular cartoon frog away from the alt-right using legal action, and the alt-right has promised to fight back. Artist Matt Furie's lawyers served cease and desist letters to online personalities such as Baked Alaska, Richard Spencer, and Mike Cernovich and Digital Millennium Copyright Act notices to some of the platforms which profit from Pepe's misappropriation.

Large companies such as Google and Amazon have largely complied with the requests from Furie's lawyers. Google pulled Baked Alaska's Build the Wall game from it's Google Play store and Amazon de-listed his book Meme Magic Secrets Revealed. Both used Pepe's image.

"Amazon respects the intellectual property rights of others and requires that third party sellers do the same when listing items for sale on Amazon," a representative from the company told me in an email. "We encourage anyone who has an IP rights concern to notify us, and we will investigate it thoroughly and take any appropriate actions."

Cernovich, Alaska, and members of Reddit's r/the_Donald subreddit, on the other hand, have vowed to fight. "The creator of Pepe the Frog has officially sued me," Alaska said on Twitter. "What a time to be alive."

[L'Emmerdeur]

But they're just, uh, talking, you know?

"‘It’s gonna end with concentration camps’: Alt-right executive boasts of a future Europe with Hitler on their money"

Though many members of the alt-right claim to not be racists or white supremacists, videos recorded by an infiltrator among their ranks proves otherwise.

Patrik Hermansson, a 25-year-old Swede, went undercover to infiltrate the alt-right, creating a fake identity that led him to meetings with some of the group’s leaders.

As video Hermansson provided to the New York Times shows, he got one of the group’s highest-ranking members — Alt-Right Corporation board member Jason Reza Jorjani — to admit his “final solution” for minorities.

“It’s gonna end with the expulsion of the majority of the migrants, including [Muslim] citizens,” Jorjani told an undercover Hermansson at a pub near the Empire State Building in New York City. “It’s gonna end with concentration camps and expulsions and war at the cost of a few hundred million people.”

“We will have a Europe, in 2050, where the bank notes have Adolf Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte, Alexander the Great,” he continued. “And Hitler will be seen like that: like Napoleon, like Alexander, not like some weird monster who is unique in his own category — no, he is just going to be seen as a great European leader.”

Jorjani also claimed to have connections within the Trump administration, and to even have spoken to the president himself.