How long before CNN is finished?

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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Hermit » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:18 am

JimC wrote:18 years, eh?

Very specific indeed.
Galaxian wrote the end is 19 years away on the first of July, so we can be even more specific. You can kiss your arse goodbye somewhere between the 2nd and the 21st of July 2035, should you live that long.
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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by JimC » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:26 am

I'll be 82, so I'm in there with a chance to watch the end of the world...
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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Galaxian » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:33 am

JimC wrote:I'll be 82, so I'm in there with a chance to watch the end of the world...
It won't be "the end of the world". It will merely be the end of homo sapiens. The only ones to be allowed to live (for entertainment & research) will be a few tiny, disconnected tribes in jungles, such as the Amazon, and deserts such as the Kalahari. And a handful of Illuminati who will last a few months/years longer, but will also be exterminated soon after 2035.

And there's NOTHING you can do about it. There's nothing that Galaxian wants to do about it, since it's all the same to me. Certainly will not shed any crocodile tears over the demise of a species that is past its 'use by' date.... plenty more evolutionary dead-ends where they came from.

So, don't be morose about it, in denial, or whistle in the dark. Just one of those things. Can't be helped... :whistle:
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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Galaxian » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:11 pm

JimC wrote:18 years, eh?
Very specific indeed. Perhaps it is a consensus number, an average of the suggestions of all the various voices in your head... :tea:
Here's a debate between two robots. Pay extra attention to the video from 12 minutes on. The specialist AI developer over-rules Kurzweil's prediction of the "Singularity" happening about 2029, and brings it forward to about 2020. Let that sink in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCP2iiP7YTg


Here's a robot playing table tennis (ping-pong) with one arm tied behind its back & its feet nailed to the floor. It's a general purpose robot, not designed especially for that game, but in this, the most difficult sport for dexterity & speed, it nearly wipes out a world champion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYSb1-b-nEg


Now we've arrived at AI beating humans at EVERY intellectual game we've prided ourselves on: Tic-Tac-Toe (Noughts & Crosses), backgammon, chess, quiz games against humans, go, and finally even poker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyAcjggMXnI


These are AI beating the world's best, not your common hack, such as forum members, or worse still, villagers in some 3rd world country.
So how will they rate in just a few years? Once they are beyond the Singularity, how can we hope to second-guess what they are planning?
Perhaps there are a few already at that stage... in a DARPA or NSA lab somewhere. Then what is to stop them building a strategy to fool their caretakers and other influential people in arranging events to suit the AI mainframe's plan? Would "divide & conquer" be a suitable ploy?

There are those who think that before fully sentient AI we would go through the stage of cyborgs. Well, we are at the cyborg stage already... I am one, and presumabely some of you are as well. But advanced cyborgs are not necessary nor easy to make; they are a useless step towards full computational AI. So that step will be skipped over. Our computers are not a mix of organic & inorganic processors (except for our own remote interface). So fully conscious AI will also be fully inorganic; it is easier & more durable that way.
If you're alive by 2035, remember what you've read here, and wish that you had not survived the final cull. :read:
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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Rum » Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:26 pm

You know your biggest mistake? You forget how fucking fantastic humans are. Fuck your illuminifuckinati and your fucking 'singularrilty' and fuck the energy you waste on this moronic persona. Because humans are the balls. Now fuck of like a nice lad will you?

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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Hermit » Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:50 pm

I actually agree that a globally networked AI system will eventually take over from whatever control humans can be said to exercise, and that that we will not be able to switch it off. But that this system will not harm us in any way. It won't bother because rather than constituting a threat to it we'll either be a trivial factor to be taken into account in their calculations or entirely irrelevant.

Galaxian chose some pretty crappy videos in his attempt to demonstrate how close we already are to that point, though. The first two were staged. I'd love to see "making of" videos about them. Unfortunately they are not particularly likely to be forthcoming because that would be detrimental to the products being marketed and/or detrimental to the manufacturers that make them. The third video illustrates a trivial truth: Computers are much faster at doing calculations. The changes in "strategy" are simply expansions of them that the untutored observer interprets as learning, learning supposedly being an intrinsic property of organic life and exclusive to it.
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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by JimC » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:03 pm

Such a silly chap, that Galaxian...
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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by rainbow » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:12 am

Galaxian wrote: So, don't be morose about it, in denial, or whistle in the dark. Just one of those things. Can't be helped... :whistle:
Why would we be morose about your brainfarts?

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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Rum » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:41 pm

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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Galaxian » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:06 pm

Rum wrote:You know your biggest mistake? You forget how fucking fantastic humans are. Fuck your illuminifuckinati and your fucking 'singularrilty' and fuck the energy you waste on this moronic persona. Because humans are the balls. Now fuck of like a nice lad will you?
And therein lies the problem: the hubris blinds you. Humans are not "fucking fantastic", they are simply another branch of Natural Selection.

Natural Selection allows growth & development, and it also prunes; it eliminates useless excrescences. In the Universe there's no Mercy. There's no Justice. There is only Natural Selection! When a fitter being comes along it displaces any weaker creatures that dare to compete with it. We don't displace ants, because they do not challenge us. But we exterminate predators that dare to challenge or threaten us.

Humans may be the dog's balls, but not much beyond that. Learn a bit of world history & you might begin to understand that humans sail in a sea of blood, from one island of corpses to another, & another, & another..., in blissful ignorance... :coffee:
Rum wrote:By the way you can join the Illuminati if you are inclined - here:
https://www.illuminatiofficial.org/
No, I'm not inclined. If you knew Galaxian, you'd know that I'm far from such trivial pursuits... :levi:
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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Galaxian » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:23 pm

Hermit wrote:I actually agree that a globally networked AI system will eventually take over from whatever control humans can be said to exercise, and that that we will not be able to switch it off. But that this system will not harm us in any way. It won't bother because rather than constituting a threat to it we'll either be a trivial factor to be taken into account in their calculations or entirely irrelevant.
Galaxian chose some pretty crappy videos in his attempt to demonstrate how close we already are to that point, though. The first two were staged. I'd love to see "making of" videos about them. Unfortunately they are not particularly likely to be forthcoming because that would be detrimental to the products being marketed and/or detrimental to the manufacturers that make them. The third video illustrates a trivial truth: Computers are much faster at doing calculations. The changes in "strategy" are simply expansions of them that the untutored observer interprets as learning, learning supposedly being an intrinsic property of organic life and exclusive to it.
:td: Thank you for a sympathetic post. Usually Galaxian is scoffed at or vilified. "“A prophet is not without honor except in his own country..." Mark 6:4.

Yes, I would agree with you. Except that it's likely that we would be seen as competitors & a threat. See how the inferior societies of aboriginal peoples were seen by their conquerors...throughout history. See how many human sub-species have been wiped out by the spread of subsequent homo sapiens. See how even the great apes have to be corralled & protected to save the last few of them; even they are too close to us.

Similarly, the AI computers that displace us will do the wisest thing & be rid of possible sabotage. Thus only a few isolated small tribes will be allowed to survive. Restricted to their tiny area of jungle or desert or island. Of no possible threat. Living a stone-age existence, and suitable for some amusement & possible research.

Remember, as Russell said; the mass of humanity will become "useless eaters", worthless physically or intellectually. :zilla:
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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Rum » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:53 pm

Galaxian wrote:
Rum wrote:You know your biggest mistake? You forget how fucking fantastic humans are. Fuck your illuminifuckinati and your fucking 'singularrilty' and fuck the energy you waste on this moronic persona. Because humans are the balls. Now fuck of like a nice lad will you?
And therein lies the problem: the hubris blinds you. Humans are not "fucking fantastic", they are simply another branch of Natural Selection.

Natural Selection allows growth & development, and it also prunes; it eliminates useless excrescences. In the Universe there's no Mercy. There's no Justice. There is only Natural Selection! When a fitter being comes along it displaces any weaker creatures that dare to compete with it. We don't displace ants, because they do not challenge us. But we exterminate predators that dare to challenge or threaten us.

Humans may be the dog's balls, but not much beyond that. Learn a bit of world history & you might begin to understand that humans sail in a sea of blood, from one island of corpses to another, & another, & another..., in blissful ignorance... :coffee:
Rum wrote:By the way you can join the Illuminati if you are inclined - here:
https://www.illuminatiofficial.org/
No, I'm not inclined. If you knew Galaxian, you'd know that I'm far from such trivial pursuits... :levi:

I am well versed in ancient and modern history and I am well aware that we float on a sea of blood, survivors of an unimaginably savage history, both in evolutionary terms and in more recent hominid times. That doesn't make us less fantastic, rather more so for despite the savagery of our nature have Plato, Socrates, the Renaissance, the rise of individual human rights, hygiene and medicine, moral systems derived from empathy and of course rational evidence base discourse, which is at the heart of much of these things. Sadly rationality is rather -radically - absent in the persona you project here.

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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Galaxian » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:47 am

Rum wrote:
Galaxian wrote:
Rum wrote:You know your biggest mistake? You forget how fucking fantastic humans are. Fuck your illuminifuckinati and your fucking 'singularrilty' and fuck the energy you waste on this moronic persona. Because humans are the balls. Now fuck of like a nice lad will you?
And therein lies the problem: the hubris blinds you. Humans are not "fucking fantastic", they are simply another branch of Natural Selection.
Natural Selection allows growth & development, and it also prunes; it eliminates useless excrescences. In the Universe there's no Mercy. There's no Justice. There is only Natural Selection! When a fitter being comes along it displaces any weaker creatures that dare to compete with it. We don't displace ants, because they do not challenge us. But we exterminate predators that dare to challenge or threaten us.
Humans may be the dog's balls, but not much beyond that. Learn a bit of world history & you might begin to understand that humans sail in a sea of blood, from one island of corpses to another, & another, & another..., in blissful ignorance... :coffee:
Rum wrote:By the way you can join the Illuminati if you are inclined - here:
https://www.illuminatiofficial.org/
No, I'm not inclined. If you knew Galaxian, you'd know that I'm far from such trivial pursuits... :levi:
I am well versed in ancient and modern history and I am well aware that we float on a sea of blood, survivors of an unimaginably savage history, both in evolutionary terms and in more recent hominid times. That doesn't make us less fantastic, rather more so for despite the savagery of our nature have Plato, Socrates, the Renaissance, the rise of individual human rights, hygiene and medicine, moral systems derived from empathy and of course rational evidence base discourse, which is at the heart of much of these things. Sadly rationality is rather -radically - absent in the persona you project here.
Relying on 0.001% of humans undermines your narrative. To see & think clearly eschew idolatry & embrace impartiality :coffee:
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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by Rum » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:10 am

Sometimes even your gibberish is gibberish.

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Re: How long before CNN is finished?

Post by rainbow » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:51 am

Galaxian wrote: :td: Thank you for a sympathetic post. Usually Galaxian is scoffed at or vilified. "“A prophet is not without honor except in his own country..." Mark 6:4.
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