Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

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Whose Hard Brexit do you want to get shafted by?

Poll ended at Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:01 pm

Labour's Hard Brexit!
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Tory Hard Brexit
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Cheese or bacon or something
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:53 pm

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There you go again making up facts to support your point of view. I was a remainer but I am able to look the facts straight in the eye.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... ver-leave/

"The new coalition government is founded on Euroscepticism, with The League party still hoping that the Eurozone implodes from within, allowing Italy to leave and return to the lira.

The Five Star Movement, the other half of the coalition, has edged back from earlier promises to hold a referendum on the euro, insisting that for now it wants to remain in the Eurozone".
I forgot you like the Torygraph for so called "facts". Those two fractions are at each others throats already. There is going to be no referendum over EU membership. What "facts" have I made up? It is heading for collapse as all populist governments do.

Italy's Political Problems are Creating Economic Crises

Italy is being Italy and always will.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:36 pm

As is Britain it seems. You do like to choose your facts to suit your argument - you remind me of Trump and his fake news. I go for credibility - the the Telegraph may be of the right but it gets facts right most of the time, even if it tries to spin a right wing point of view. I would could find a lot of stuff about potential disquiet about the EU from its members but there's no point. You just as ever dismiss information that doesn't align with your mindset.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:52 pm

Facts from the horses mouth:

Eurobarometer survey shows highest support for the EU in 35 years

Yep EU is not popular, well by the Torygraph its not.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:12 am

If you ever wondering what the real reason for Brexit is well this document will explain it:

COUNCIL DIRECTIVE (EU) 2016/1164 of 12 July 2016 laying down rules against tax avoidance practices that directly affect the functioning of the internal market

This is what all those rich tory Brexiteers are terrified of. The Directive comes into force 1st January 2019.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:41 am

And the shops keep on closing:

Homebase to close 42 stores, putting 1,500 jobs at risk
High street woes continue as M&S, New Look, Mothercare and Carpetright also shut shops
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by JimC » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:59 pm

On Brexit, you do a fair job of being Crumple, Scot... :tea:
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:34 pm

I think the internet might have something to do with the difficulties retail outlets are having, not everything is down to Brexit, well, not everything...

Falling unemployment marks another black day for Project Fear
It is another black day for Project Fear. The latest employment figures from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) show yet another fall in unemployment, to 1.36 million or 4 per cent of the adult population. There have never been more people employed in the UK economy, and the unemployment rate is at its lowest since early 1975.

It wasn’t supposed to be this way, according to George Osborne’s crystal ball. In May 2016, a month before the referendum, he warned us all that should we vote to leave the EU we could expect unemployment to rise by up to 500,000 within two years. Admittedly, George himself has bagged a few jobs since then, but I don’t think his work ethic is wholly responsible for the rise in employment. He was simply wrong – and neither he nor hardly any of his fellow Remainers can quite bring themselves to admit it. Rather, they keep on pumping out gruesome predictions in the naïve hope that we will forget their past record....

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/f ... ject-fear/
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:55 pm

I want to start the new iteration of this thread and call it Brexshit.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:09 am

There is no rise of employment in the UK. Just ONS fiddling the books. It uses its own definition of employment; ZHC and flex hour contracts have increased dramatically. Unemployment in the UK according to standard EU definition is 20%.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:50 am

It's a common slight of hand that's been used since the 1980s, that is; generating the headline figure by using the 'number of people out of work and claiming unemployment benefit' to estimate the level of employment within the working-age population. Just take the little number away from the big number. I guess if they removed all unemployment benefits then employment would leap to 100%.

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CBI urges government to drop 'blunt target' on immigration numbers

The Confederation of British Industry has urged Theresa May to drop her “blunt target” on immigration numbers and introduce new freedom of movement rules for EU citizens post-Brexit to ensure firms, large and small, can stay in business when the UK leaves the bloc.

Outlining the results of a major consultation with business leaders, Josh Hardie, the CBI’s deputy director general, said companies believed an injection of honesty was urgently needed in the political debate about migration.

“This is no longer a theoretical debate, it’s about the future of our nation. False choices and sloganeering must be avoided at all costs,” he said...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... _clipboard
Basically, the UK's leading business lobbying organisation is calling for a continuation of freedom of movement under existing EU rules, because all the evidence shows that migrant works put far far more into the economy than they take out.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:57 am

Our next Prime Minister prepares the ground to officially blame the EU for the abject failures of his own party: Jeremy Hunt: EU must change its approach to avoid no-deal Brexit.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Svartalf » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:18 am

nice way to move the goal posts, it behooves to the UK to have a reasonable approach, after all, it's not the EU that moved to exclude the UK, though many here are glad to be rid of the troublemakers
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by JimC » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:22 am

A certain Monsieur Bonaparte thought that control of mainland Europe meant he could ignore the British...

Horatio Hornblower proved him wrong!
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Svartalf » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:29 am

unfortunately, he was wrong. being able to ignore Britain must be close to bliss.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:13 am

We seem to do OK without the approval of our European cousins.

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