Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

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Whose Hard Brexit do you want to get shafted by?

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Labour's Hard Brexit!
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Tory Hard Brexit
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Cheese or bacon or something
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:39 pm

You revel in difference and discord and that makes you appear to be a deeply unattractive human being. Any progress we have made as human beings is by breaking down barriers, not creating them. People who do that are scum in my book.

A 'form of words' is now agreed it seems.

The term 'constructive ambiguity' is one I heard today on Radio 4 from a civil servant whose job it used to be to turn political negotiations into something on paper. That's how the Good Friday agreement got going, so perhaps it is fitting that this aspect of Brexit might too.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by mistermack » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:06 am

Basically, all that's been happening, is the DUP posing as hard bargainers for their voters.
They couldn't be seen to be rolling over and just taking what's offered.
Their voter think that they have the whip hand, and expect to be presented with some treats to make them think they've come out ahead.

It's even possible that this was all stitched up weeks ago, and the posturing was all agreed ahead of time.
Probably not, but not completely impossible.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:43 am

I wouldn't be surprised if the Treasury finds a little extra money for Northern Ireland in the spring budget, you know, to help prepare for the transition an' all. I don't think we can honestly say that the DUP are trying to do the best for their voters, considering a the majority of them must have voted Remain. More likely they're just trying to do the best for themselves.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by rainbow » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:33 am

mistermack wrote: Some of the people up there are good as gold, some are absolute shits. The nice rational people are not the problem. But you clearly have no idea of how the other half thinks and behaves.
...like Muslims, then.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by mistermack » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:39 am

rainbow wrote:
mistermack wrote: Some of the people up there are good as gold, some are absolute shits. The nice rational people are not the problem. But you clearly have no idea of how the other half thinks and behaves.
...like Muslims, then.
Some of the muslims are good as gold, some are absolute shits. The nice rational people are not the problem. But you clearly have no idea of how the other half thinks and behaves.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by rainbow » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:32 pm

“Under Theresa May, we are leaving the European Union in name only. If anyone in the Conservative party has any integrity or sense of duty left, we call on them now to save Brexit by triggering a leadership contest. Tory backbenchers, get writing to the 1922 Committee and help save your country. She has got to go.”
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:16 pm

rainbow wrote:
“Under Theresa May, we are leaving the European Union in name only. If anyone in the Conservative party has any integrity or sense of duty left, we call on them now to save Brexit by triggering a leadership contest. Tory backbenchers, get writing to the 1922 Committee and help save your country. She has got to go.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-deal

That's a quote from Aaron banks - the leader of the 'Leave' campaign and a slimeball. He is currently being investigated for over spending on the campaign. The 'alignment' referred to will make it easier and a shitload less bureaucratic to do business in Europe.

..oh - I should add he is a millionaire and formerly donated to the nationalist far right UKIP party (now thankfully on its last legs).

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:31 pm

rainbow wrote:
“Under Theresa May, we are leaving the European Union in name only. If anyone in the Conservative party has any integrity or sense of duty left, we call on them now to save Brexit by triggering a leadership contest. Tory backbenchers, get writing to the 1922 Committee and help save your country. She has got to go.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-deal
I don't like to speak ill of the cognitively challenged, but Aaron Banks is a lying piece of shit.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Strontium Dog » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:12 pm

Arron Banks and Nigel Farage are upset, so that can only be good news for people with a conscience.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by rainbow » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:54 am

Strontium Dog wrote:Arron Banks and Nigel Farage are upset, so that can only be good news for people with a conscience.
More like Wanks and Frottage, I'd say.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:30 am

Global powers lobby to stop special Brexit deal for UK

European Union gets tough with Theresa May over trade deal, as officials insist bespoke arrangement more favourable to Britain is out of the question


Theresa May’s hopes of securing a unique post-Brexit trade deal with the EU were under threat on Saturday night as Brussels said it was coming under international pressure to deny Britain special treatment.

After a week that saw May reach a deal with the EU that will allow Brexit talks to move forward on to future trade relations, EU officials insisted a bespoke deal more favourable to the UK than other non-EU nations was out of the question.

One EU source close to the talks said: “We have been approached by a number of [non-member] countries expressing concerns and making it clear that it would constitute a major problem for them if suddenly the UK were to get better terms than they get.”

The official said that once the UK is out of the single market and customs union in March 2019, there could be no replication of the terms of the current trading relationship, or anything close to it, and no special treatment.

“It is not just an indication of some strange rigid principle. It is because things won’t work,” he said.

“First and foremost we need to stick to this balance of rights and obligations, otherwise we will be undermining our own customs union and single market. Second, we cannot upset relations with other third countries,” the official said.

“If we were to give the UK a very lopsided deal, then the other partners with whom we have been engaging and who entered into balanced agreements would come back and question those agreements.”

The comments underline the difficulties May and the government will face as the Brexit talks enter phase two in the new year. She and her ministers have repeatedly said they are seeking a bespoke deal that will allow “frictionless” trade with the EU and as much access as possible to the single market....

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by JimC » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:28 am

I may have said this before, but I predict a resurgence in the number of Brits attempting to migrate to Oz...
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:52 am

I'd be there like a shot if they'd have me.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by JimC » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:54 am

I would testify for you, Rum:

"Stone the crows, he's not a bad old bludger, for a Pom..."

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:00 am

JimC wrote:I would testify for you, Rum:

"Stone the crows, he's not a bad old bludger, for a Pom..."

:hehe:
No higher praise. :{D

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