Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

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Whose Hard Brexit do you want to get shafted by?

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Labour's Hard Brexit!
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Tory Hard Brexit
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Cheese or bacon or something
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by JimC » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:53 pm

The phrase "on a hiding to nowhere" seems appropriate...

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:00 pm

At the moment we certainly have more poisonous vermin around the place than you do...

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:22 am

What has the EU had to say about the draft deal? I thought according to Scot the EU wasn't going to give them any deal at all and the Brits would be out on their arses with no trade deals and whatnot.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by JimC » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:37 am

I bet they will try to cut aspects of it, if only for spite. Everything I've read suggests a surprisingly high level of European animosity towards Britain...
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by rainbow » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:32 am

JimC wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:37 am
I bet they will try to cut aspects of it, if only for spite. Everything I've read suggests a surprisingly high level of European animosity towards Britain...
No its mainly the English that they hate, possibly the Welsh as well.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by PsychoSerenity » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:05 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:22 am
What has the EU had to say about the draft deal? I thought according to Scot the EU wasn't going to give them any deal at all and the Brits would be out on their arses with no trade deals and whatnot.
I haven't heard anything specifically but over the last couple years they've been pretty solidly behind their negotiators and committed to whatever the block decides. The agreement seems to have some slight further compromises from them, but I wouldn't expect it to cause problems at their end. The problems have always been with the UK's self contradictory positions usually originating within the Tory party. It's the demands for unicorns that risk us not getting a deal.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:53 am

pErvinalia wrote:What has the EU had to say about the draft deal? I thought according to Scot the EU wasn't going to give them any deal at all and the Brits would be out on their arses with no trade deals and whatnot.
The deal has to be ratified by the remaining member states. A summit had been arranged for 25 November. Until then, the draft remains a provisional agreement. Although the remaining member states are expected to give it the thumbs up if they don't reach a unanimous agreement the EU could ask the Barnier team to renegotiate specific elements of the draft. But to a great extent the ball is almost entirely in the UK's court.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:01 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:22 am
What has the EU had to say about the draft deal? I thought according to Scot the EU wasn't going to give them any deal at all and the Brits would be out on their arses with no trade deals and whatnot.
Barnier stated the EU position on day 1 and has not moved an inch since. The "agreement" is one of UK compromises. The EU is still at its original starting point. I did not say there would be no deal but a deal according to the EU which it is. The crucial point being the NI border. The UK has agree to the SM and CU for unlimited time. Only leaving when the EU considers the time is right but NI will be permanently tied in. Where is the EU compromise in that?
The border has to moved to the Irish Sea which is what the DUP did not want.
This "agreement" has already failed so it does not matter anymore. There are just not the numbers or the will to support it. The real question now is will May survive the weekend as PM?
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:28 am

To be fair there have been compromises on both sides.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:58 am

What compromises has the EU given? Honestly I cant see any.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by rainbow » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:28 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:58 am
What compromises has the EU given? Honestly I cant see any.
Well, they've not rounded up Brits and put them into concentration camps.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:56 pm

We have plans...
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:03 pm

It isn't true that the EU has not compromised. Both sides have. I'm no defender of Brexit but facts are facts.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:08 pm

On which item?
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:19 pm

Well for one you keep insisting that the EU won't give on the question of a hard border in the island of Ireland. They obviously have. There won't be.

I'm not going to argue this out with you however as from past experience you just change the goal posts if you are proven wrong.

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