Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

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Whose Hard Brexit do you want to get shafted by?

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Labour's Hard Brexit!
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by rainbow » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:05 am

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One thing is certain now. Hard Brexit.
No. The likely scenario is a delay to Brexit, a new election, and if Labour win, a new referendum.
This referendum will spell out the options more clearly than before, and remain will likely win.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:51 am

rainbow wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:05 am
cronus wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:10 pm
One thing is certain now. Hard Brexit.
No. The likely scenario is a delay to Brexit, a new election, and if Labour win, a new referendum.
This referendum will spell out the options more clearly than before, and remain will likely win.
I wish was possible but it is not. There could be an extension to transition but that is only after the deal is signed. Art 50 gives no other possibility. Talks about future relationship are also subject to the deal's signing. If nothing is signed by 31-3-19 then the UK is out without a deal.
A second referendum will not achieve anything. It will only increase the conflict. If went for remain the Brexiteers would never accept it and use any tactics to cause delay. If went leave the impulse for a hard Brexit would greater.
How about the time required? The clock cant be stopped.
If the EJC does say the UK alone can cancel Art 50. Just imagine the outrage if that happened and what about further. Brexit has cost both sides plenty of money. I dont think the 27 will let things return to normal and some one will have to pay and that is the one that started it all.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:28 pm

I don't think prediction is possible at this stage. It is quite possible May will be gone by this time next week. There is also the British tendency to compromise and muddle through - which could involve delays (at a number of stages) and further discussions with the EU. SD is prejudiced about this country so of course he says there's a red line. The reality is that the EU doesn't want a hard Brexit any more than the UK does as it will affect northern European countries significantly, so they will do whatever needs to be done t muddle through too.

Interesting times..

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by rainbow » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:36 pm

I foresee the Norway Option going back on the table.
Brexit, but not really.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:42 pm

rainbow wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:36 pm
I foresee the Norway Option going back on the table.
Brexit, but not really.
I'm not so sure. The Norway option allows for free movement of people which was a key issue for probably the majority of racist cunts leave voters. Not sure it would go down well.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by rainbow » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:05 pm

Rum wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:42 pm
rainbow wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:36 pm
I foresee the Norway Option going back on the table.
Brexit, but not really.
I'm not so sure. The Norway option allows for free movement of people which was a key issue for probably the majority of racist cunts leave voters. Not sure it would go down well.
Remember that most of the leave voters were over 50.

Younger people are against Brexit since it limits their career opportunities in Europe. Especially those with a bit of education.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:11 pm

As Alastair Campbell (a former advisor to Tony Blaire and the hidden power behind New Labour) said on a radio programme I heard yesterday, 1.5 million people have died since the vote - most, of course, old people. His opponent was outraged but he has a point. The young want us to be part of Europe - me too!

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:52 pm

Rum wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:28 pm
I don't think prediction is possible at this stage. It is quite possible May will be gone by this time next week. There is also the British tendency to compromise and muddle through - which could involve delays (at a number of stages) and further discussions with the EU. SD is prejudiced about this country so of course he says there's a red line. The reality is that the EU doesn't want a hard Brexit any more than the UK does as it will affect northern European countries significantly, so they will do whatever needs to be done t muddle through too.

Interesting times..
You think the EU is just going stand and wait for the UK. Sorry you dont understand the EU but of course you are prejudiced.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:56 pm

rainbow wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:05 pm
Rum wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:42 pm
rainbow wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:36 pm
I foresee the Norway Option going back on the table.
Brexit, but not really.
I'm not so sure. The Norway option allows for free movement of people which was a key issue for probably the majority of racist cunts leave voters. Not sure it would go down well.
Remember that most of the leave voters were over 50.

Younger people are against Brexit since it limits their career opportunities in Europe. Especially those with a bit of education.
As I said Norway is not interested. Of course any sane person would want to remain. Pure madness of a core of very rich Conservatives who could not care less about the country.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by cronus » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:18 pm

Terminal stupid won the day so something is gonna change now. :pop:
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Svartalf » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:21 pm

rainbow wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:05 am
cronus wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:10 pm
One thing is certain now. Hard Brexit.
No. The likely scenario is a delay to Brexit, a new election, and if Labour win, a new referendum.
This referendum will spell out the options more clearly than before, and remain will likely win.
I doubt so, there are no provisions in the treaties or elsewhere about repealing the execution of art 50 once invoked, and the brits have been som much trouble that I'm not sure the remaining people will let them get away with that...
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:13 pm

There is nothing. The ECJ will give its verdict tomorrow on whether the UK can cancel the Art 50 letter but things are in such a mess I dont think it will help. There would all hell if May cancelled the letter and there is no protocol about further.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:22 pm

There's a pretty good exposition of the various scenarios and options after the vote on 11th, including, despite one ex Britisher's insistence to the opposite, renegotiations, delays and the like.

Helpful if you wonder what the twat the whole thing is about too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:42 pm

Rum wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:22 pm
There's a pretty good exposition of the various scenarios and options after the vote on 11th, including, despite one ex Britisher's insistence to the opposite, renegotiations, delays and the like.

Helpful if you wonder what the twat the whole thing is about too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399
That is very much from the UK's POV. For the EU it is simple either sign the deal or not and accept the consequences. The UK has nothing further to say. What games they play are strictly for them.

The clock is ticking. Three months...
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:50 pm

It’s from the BBC’s point of view, but then of course you view the beeb as a propaganda tool of the government.

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