Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

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Whose Hard Brexit do you want to get shafted by?

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Labour's Hard Brexit!
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Tory Hard Brexit
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Cheese or bacon or something
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:44 am

well, I'd agree except that there are any number of perfectly nice, sane britons who do not need to suffer from living on the same island as a bunch of yahoods.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:46 am

It would only be for a year or two. They will be crawling back to the EU.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:49 am

except the fact that, having been royal thorns in the foot since 1971 , and pulling off that brexit rigmarole, I just can't count all the EU states that would oppose their coming back in, when a single no is enough to veto the whole vote...

I wish Scotland would secede and be accepted in on a fast track.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:50 am

EDIT: response to last posy of SD.

'm not so sure. My take on it is that the UK economy will crash dive if we leave with next to no deal. The poorest in the land will of course suffer the most.

Give it five years and I can see the 'benefits' of leaving beginning to pay off. Potentially a lot of short to medium term pain mind you.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:52 am

well, we'll all be on front seats to check the short and medium term results... but the poor will get poorer, even when the economy rights itself up.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:56 am

Rum wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:50 am
EDIT: response to last posy of SD.

'm not so sure. My take on it is that the UK economy will crash dive if we leave with next to no deal. The poorest in the land will of course suffer the most.

Give it five years and I can see the 'benefits' of leaving beginning to pay off. Potentially a lot of short to medium term pain mind you.
Turning into a third world country by then? A tax haven? A 1930's Cuba for rich Americans to exploit? I cant see a model that would fit?
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:12 pm

Rum wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:30 am
mmmh, is Image a proper reaction? Because if she does not present a reasonable and acceptable plan, the UJ is gonna be out in the cold and without the security net of agreements in less than 9 months... that would be the hardest brexit of all.
There are members of the Tory party - and the public - who want exactly that.
But I doubt that a majority of those who voted Leave expected or wanted an unnegotiated exit that would see the UK throwing itself on the mercy of the WTO and going cap in hand to the IMF while the entire economy is restructured. Most Leavers thought that everything would remain about the same, just with less foreigners and more money for the NHS.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:16 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:It would only be for a year or two. They will be crawling back to the EU.
No, the UK won't be back for a generation or two, if at all, and only then if the EU has a rebrand so we can fool ourseleves were joining something different. Brexit is going to define Britains and Britain in the world for a long long time.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:17 pm


Svartalf wrote:I wish Scotland would secede and be accepted in on a fast track.
One of the reasons I'm moving to Edinburgh.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:24 pm

Plan A was that the EU would break up and the UK along with major players would form a new EFTA.

Plan B was they thought the EU would help them and give preferential treatment and position while they cherry picked and had their cake and eat it.

Plan C was the Norwegian variation.

Every option possible.

Plan Y was the no deal variation. Surviving on WTO.

Plan Z last chance saloon as the 51st state.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:26 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Scot Dutchy wrote:It would only be for a year or two. They will be crawling back to the EU.
No, the UK won't be back for a generation or two, if at all, and only then if the EU has a rebrand so we can fool ourseleves were joining something different. Brexit is going to define Britains and Britain in the world for a long long time.
How about the UCE (United Countries of Europe). Different enough?
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:34 pm

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:39 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:17 pm
Svartalf wrote:I wish Scotland would secede and be accepted in on a fast track.
One of the reasons I'm moving to Edinburgh.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Seabass » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:05 am

Does this mean Blighty might get a mulligan? :ask:

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