Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

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Whose Hard Brexit do you want to get shafted by?

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Labour's Hard Brexit!
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Tory Hard Brexit
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Cheese or bacon or something
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:16 am

Nothing will happen. Moggsy is winning. Total chaos his billions are safe.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:28 am

Seabass wrote:Does this mean Blighty might get a mulligan? :ask:

Vote Leave: Brexit campaign 'broke electoral law' in referendum
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992
No. They could have overspent by 10x as much and the fine would have been the same, and the two people referred to the prosecution service can only get up to 3 years in prison. There's nothing in UK law which requires a mandatory nullification of the result. The law is a hang over from an earlier time, when the dubiously elected would step down - out of shame and a sense of honour.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:31 am

Deal with Japan signed:

EU and Japan sign historic free trade deal after rush to agree terms before Brexit
Experts say UK on its own is unlikely to improve on the deal, which will remove virtually all tariffs and covers a third of the global economy

The European Union and Japan are signing a widespread trade deal that will eliminate nearly all tariffs, seemingly defying the worries about trade tensions set off by President Donald Trump's policies.
Fuck you Trump.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Seabass » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:32 am

Well, that's unfortunate. :console:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:28 am
Seabass wrote:Does this mean Blighty might get a mulligan? :ask:

Vote Leave: Brexit campaign 'broke electoral law' in referendum
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992
No.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:40 am

Seabass wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:32 am
Well, that's unfortunate. :console:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:28 am
Seabass wrote:Does this mean Blighty might get a mulligan? :ask:

Vote Leave: Brexit campaign 'broke electoral law' in referendum
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992
No.
Spoke a bit too soon but it will not change much:


Vote Leave fined and referred to police over Brexit campaign spending, Electoral Commission announces
Official Brexit organisation – fronted by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove – breached electoral law by co-ordinating illegally with another group
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:44 am

It's taking so long I thought for sure you guys were just stalling to find a way out. Now that most people don't want it and it hasn't happened, why can't you back out of it?

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:54 am

The Brexiteers Sean want out at all cost. The EU is going to introduce swinging taxes on off shore accounts. The Brexiteers have billions stashed away there and are protecting their money (including May). Moggsy would lose billions. They could not care bugger all about the country.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:19 am

Sean Hayden wrote:It's taking so long I thought for sure you guys were just stalling to find a way out. Now that most people don't want it and it hasn't happened, why can't you back out of it?
A referendum can only be called by the government, which now sees it's slim numerical majority supported by a coalition with the political wing of the old testament (DUP) slipping further to a mere three votes on Brexit matters. The prime minister's desire to maintain some semblance of party unity, a prerequisite for retaining the reigns of power, means thst her party is now in hock to a relatively small number of Brexitarian hardliners (about 30). The Tories craven desire for power, backed by an internal system that reinforces an ethos of born-to-rule superiority (and which the hardliners epitomise), supercedes all other considerations, including the fact that if the vote was held today the majority of the population would vote the other way.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Svartalf » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:39 am

Yet, their "born-to-rule" ethics, if you can call it that, totally doesn't jive with asking the Great Unwashed their minds about any matter of importance, or any matter at all for that matter.
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by rainbow » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:53 am

Sean Hayden wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:44 am
It's taking so long I thought for sure you guys were just stalling to find a way out. Now that most people don't want it and it hasn't happened, why can't you back out of it?
Pride.
They think they will looks like twats if they do, not realising that they do anyway.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:15 am

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Just old fashioned GREED
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:55 pm

The reason is there is no way out. The referendum was conclusive and a U turn on that decision is not going to happen.

How long this can go on for though is anyone's guess. May is staggering from one vote in Parliament over this, giving ground to one side and then the other. The reason she is doing so is not because she agrees with the amendments to the proposed agreement with the EU being put forward by both sides but because she knows if a vote on any part of her legislation is lost in Parliament there would be a high risk of a vote of no confidence in the Government being passed and that would very likely result in a new (possibly Labour) government. Labour are as divided as much as the Conservatives however.

They have goty themselves - and us - in a real pickle.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Feck » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:11 pm

Yeah, conclusive but one side cheated and lied and are supported by every shitty little xenophobe group in the country .
I've not heard a single coherent, honest argument for brexit that wasn't based on racism .
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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Rum » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:35 pm

Feck wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:11 pm
Yeah, conclusive but one side cheated and lied and are supported by every shitty little xenophobe group in the country .
I've not heard a single coherent, honest argument for brexit that wasn't based on racism .
To be fair I have. Not everyone who voted leave it a racist - I'm sure. Most however tend to be little Englanders with little imagination and some vague sense that if they voted leave we would end up with some version of 'England' as it actually never really was in the 1950s.

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Re: Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:31 pm

May was going to bring the summer recess forward to this Thursday, but she was scuppered by members of her own party. I don't think there's anymore to be said about her 'strong and stable' approach to governance - she's lost the farm.
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