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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by laklak » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:26 pm

Who wants democracy? Democracy gave the UK Brexit. The vast majority of ground apes are barely intelligent enough to breathe while they're asleep, I sure as hell don't want them making decisions for me.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:29 pm

Democracy did not give the UK Brexit. That is the point lak.
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Post by laklak » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:50 pm

What can be more democratic than a referendum?
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:04 pm

When you do not include the people it is directly affecting?
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Cunt » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:31 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:39 am
The U.S. system is not suitable for democracy never mind anything else.
Only the ignorant think the US is or should be a democracy.

It's a very common mistake among Europeans though. Their education might be the root of this consistent error.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Jason » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:33 pm

Cunt wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:31 pm
Only the ignorant think the US is or should be a democracy.
Colour me ignorant then, but what is the political system of the United States if not democratic? :ask:

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Post by Tero » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:44 pm

Here you go. More and more each year, unless we raise inheritance tax.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Cunt » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:06 pm

Jason wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:33 pm
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:31 pm
Only the ignorant think the US is or should be a democracy.
Colour me ignorant then, but what is the political system of the United States if not democratic? :ask:
I believe the phrase is 'constitutional republic'. The principle seems to be that densely populated areas don't have an undue influence over distant areas.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:04 pm

There are no 'democratic' nations in the strict sense of the word, which is why the statement 'country X isn't democratic' is practically meaningless absent context. Probably the closest in history was the city-state of Athens at some points in its existence and even then, suffrage was held only by male citizens.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:18 pm

As for the 'protect less populated states' rationale for the Electoral College system, that facile explanation is inaccurate. It was part of why the Electoral College was first proposed, but the main reason was to help convince slave states to ratify the US Constitution.
At the Philadelphia [Constitutional Convention in 1787], the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South: “The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.” In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:52 pm

Jason wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:33 pm
Cunt wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:31 pm
Only the ignorant think the US is or should be a democracy.
Colour me ignorant then, but what is the political system of the United States if not democratic? :ask:
I colour you ignorant. There is nothing democratic in the USA. Dont you understand what democracy is?
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Jason » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:54 pm

Well, I understand that if you vote to send a representative for your region to government that's called a 'representative democracy.' Is that not what they have in the US?

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Jason » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:59 pm

Indeed, the United States might be labeled a constitutional federal representative democracy. But where one word is used, with all the oversimplification that this necessary entails, “democracy” and “republic” both work. Indeed, since direct democracy — again, a government in which all or most laws are made by direct popular vote — would be impractical given the number and complexity of laws that pretty much any state or national government is expected to enact, it’s unsurprising that the qualifier “representative” would often be omitted. Practically speaking, representative democracy is the only democracy that’s around at any state or national level.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:08 pm

Long words about nothing. There is no democracy in the USA. No two votes in different states has the same weight.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Tero » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:12 pm

Jason wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:54 pm
Well, I understand that if you vote to send a representative for your region to government that's called a 'representative democracy.' Is that not what they have in the US?
Only till 2020. The idiots voted an idiot for a president. Things will be normal soon. Smart pople telling dumb people what they want, then letting the smart people run it.
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