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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:34 pm

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Long words about nothing. There is no democracy in the USA. No two votes in different states has the same weight.
Same as the EU.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Svartalf » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:34 pm

Jason wrote:
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Only the ignorant think the US is or should be a democracy.
Colour me ignorant then, but what is the political system of the United States if not democratic? :ask:
when , depending on what state you dwell in, the value of your vote can go from 1 to 3, no, it's definitely not democratic. Democracy entails equality between citizens, the US system enshrines major inequalites.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Seabass » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:39 pm

Well, there was that Princeton study a few years back that concluded that our government is far more responsive to special interest groups than voters, so yeah, "oligarchy" isn't too far from the mark, IMO.

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/def ... cs.doc.pdf
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by JimC » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:52 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:08 pm
Long words about nothing. There is no democracy in the USA. No two votes in different states has the same weight.
Let's not exaggerate. It's democratic system certainly has flaws, particularly in the weighting of votes, but it's a little absurd to go from that to "no democracy"...
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by laklak » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:09 am

Only in presidential elections, otherwise every vote is equal.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Cunt » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:40 am

Like everyone gets to vote on which guns are allowed, or what kinds of hate speech should be banned.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by JimC » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:01 am

laklak wrote:
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Only in presidential elections, otherwise every vote is equal.
How about your Senate? Don't states get an equal number of senators each, regardless of their population?
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Post by Cunt » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:30 am

One person, one vote would have New York City ruling over vast swathes of farmland. Doesn't that seem a bit off-balance to you democracy-lovers?
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by JimC » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:40 am

Cunt wrote:
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One person, one vote would have New York City ruling over vast swathes of farmland. Doesn't that seem a bit off-balance to you democracy-lovers?
What does seem off balance is that anyone's vote be worth more than another...
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Cunt » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:30 am

JimC wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:40 am
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:30 am
One person, one vote would have New York City ruling over vast swathes of farmland. Doesn't that seem a bit off-balance to you democracy-lovers?
What does seem off balance is that anyone's vote be worth more than another...
I don't know how to balance it, but I do know that it means that people living in remote communities have no voice, or they do have a voice, but it is drowned out by Montreal.

Are you really OK with Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver exerting authority over vast swaths of land none of them understand?
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Hermit » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:31 am

Cunt wrote:
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One person, one vote would have New York City ruling over vast swathes of farmland. Doesn't that seem a bit off-balance to you democracy-lovers?
Trump "won" by attracting 2,868,692 fewer votes than Clinton. You prefer the tyranny of the minority, I suppose. Yes, I know. 304 Electoral College votes to 227. Those are the rules. That's not democratic, though.

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Hermit » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:33 am

Cunt wrote:
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Are you really OK with Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver exerting authority over vast swaths of land none of them understand?
I am definitely OK with 1 voter, 1 vote rather than one voter 0.8, 1.2 or whatever votes. democracy counts people, not square kilometres of land.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Cunt » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:35 am

Hermit wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:31 am
Cunt wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:30 am
One person, one vote would have New York City ruling over vast swathes of farmland. Doesn't that seem a bit off-balance to you democracy-lovers?
Trump "won" by attracting 2,868,692 fewer votes than Clinton. You prefer the tyranny of the minority, I suppose. Yes, I know. 304 Electoral College votes to 227. Those are the rules. That's not democratic, though.
It's not supposed to be democratic. It's supposed to be a republic instead.

Democracy would have the tyranny of the majority, Trump won because he won according to the rules. You can say that Hillary was statistically better at every campaign aspect - I'll even agree if it makes you feel better.

But Trump won the US election. Winning the popularity contest isn't what he was after.

If only he was an ineffective idiot, you could be complaining about Hillary right now.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Hermit » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:36 am

Cunt wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:35 am
Hermit wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:31 am
Cunt wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:30 am
One person, one vote would have New York City ruling over vast swathes of farmland. Doesn't that seem a bit off-balance to you democracy-lovers?
Trump "won" by attracting 2,868,692 fewer votes than Clinton. You prefer the tyranny of the minority, I suppose. Yes, I know. 304 Electoral College votes to 227. Those are the rules. That's not democratic, though.
It's not supposed to be democratic.
So you agree with Scott Dutchy, yes?

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Hermit » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:42 am

Cunt wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:35 am
If only he was an ineffective idiot, you could be complaining about Hillary right now.
If Clinton had won the election I'd certainly be complaining about her. She's a neoliberal Wall Street shill and a war hawk. Still better than Trump's social, environmental and economic policies, though.

Waiting for Coito Two's fake list of Trump's alleged achievements now. :roll:

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