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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Animavore » Sun May 28, 2017 9:41 am

Remember when the USA were World leaders?
U.S. is only holdout on Paris climate pledge at G7 summit

President Trump refused to participate in a pledge with his Group of 7 (G7) counterparts supporting the 195-nation Paris climate deal Saturday, making the U.S. the only country to hold out on the pledge.

Trump’s decision to stand apart from his G7 counterparts comes after her tweeted he would be making a final decision on the Paris climate deal next week.
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Post by Animavore » Sun May 28, 2017 9:52 am

If The USA Exits The Paris Agreement, This Is What Will Happen.

so what would happen if America withdrew from it, and the agreement ultimately fails?



The US Economy Will Take A Massive Hit

Powerful natural disasters, as well as the effect that rising temperatures will have on an increasingly stressed workforce, means that the US will be robbed of $2 trillion by 2030. If it remains in the pact, one analysis suggests that the entire world economy will get a $19 trillion paycheck by 2050, with America getting a significant share – and not just because there’ll be less damage from hurricanes and flooding.

Markets have turned against coal. It may be cheap these days, but renewables and natural gas – a low-carbon fossil fuel – are in many US states even cheaper, and far less likely to cause litigation-heavy disasters and pollution outbreaks.

Consequently, compared to coal and gas, the renewable energy sector is adding five times as many jobs. In fact, the job market in clean energy is expanding so rapidly that this is where the bulk of the $19 trillion would come from.

Trump often boasts on Twitter about jobs he’s supposedly creating by signing his stream of nonsensical executive orders, even though plenty of these are the result of a record job growth streak that’s hanging over from the previous administration. If he really wants to create jobs, he should invest in solar panels and wind turbines.
[list of potential disasters, epidemics, and conflict such a grossly idiotic move could cause]
…But, There Is Hope

Cautiously, though, things might still be fine. While it’ll undoubtedly be a blow to everyone else if America does withdraw its support, there are signs that the rest of the world is working so hard at phasing out coal and oil that the Paris agreement may still be adhered to some degree.

Just look at the US. Trump may have recently signed away a raft of Obama’s climate measures, but even the objectives for cutting GHGs proposed in the now-defunct Clean Power Plan (CPP) are already being met way ahead of schedule.


The CPP aimed to reduce power plant emissions to 32 percent of 2005 levels by 2030. As of last year, GHGs have dropped to 24 percent of 2005 levels, with 14 years left still to go. At this rate, the targets will be exceeded by 2030, despite the fact that the CPP doesn’t even technically exist.

Why? Well, as aforementioned, natural gas, solar, and wind power is getting cheaper to buy, install, and run all the time, and market forces are beginning to eschew riskier oil and coal reserves. Secondly, individual states – particularly New York and California – are transforming their electrical grids to feature far more renewable sources than ever before.

Lastly, and most importantly, voters want clean energy. In fact, two-thirds of Americans want Trump to ignore fossil fuels and focus on wind and solar instead. Similarly, two-thirds of Americans wanted the US to play a huge role in the Paris agreement.

The future lies in the hands of the people. Even if Trump ultimately withdraws from Paris – which will take about three to four years, legally speaking – this probably won’t matter as much as you think in the long run.

As long as people use their vote when it counts, they can elect Congressional lawmakers, senators, governors, and even a President that wants to save the planet – and America with it – instead of letting it burn.
So basically even if Trump and the evil little Nazi shits he has surrounded himself with do the dumbest thing any President has ever done (which is basically just a case of Trump surpassing himself), market forces and the embarrassment and shame of falling behind the rest of the World will probably cause the US to pull its socks up.

If Trump backs out I fully expect his term to be officially ended.
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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Animavore » Sun May 28, 2017 9:56 am

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Post by Animavore » Sun May 28, 2017 12:08 pm

A bunch of Trump snowflakes flounced out of a Roger Waters gig crying because he criticised Trump. :hilarious:

http://www.inquisitr.com/4250472/roger- ... b806a7020f

How can you by a Waters or Floyd fan and not know his political views? These are probably the same "patriots" who unironically rock to The Boss's Born in the USA.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun May 28, 2017 12:20 pm

The G7:



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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun May 28, 2017 12:47 pm

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Post by tattuchu » Sun May 28, 2017 1:58 pm

Animavore wrote:
:funny: :funny: :funny:
People think "queue" is just "q" followed by 4 silent letters.

But those letters are not silent.

They're just waiting their turn.

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Post by tattuchu » Sun May 28, 2017 2:03 pm

Brian Peacock wrote::funny:
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People think "queue" is just "q" followed by 4 silent letters.

But those letters are not silent.

They're just waiting their turn.

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Post by Animavore » Sun May 28, 2017 4:04 pm

The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, has suggested her country and Europe can no longer rely on the US under Donald Trump.

Speaking at a campaign event held in a Bavarian beer tent, Ms Merkel emphasised the need for friendly relations with the US, Britain and Russia, but added: "We Europeans must really take our destiny into our own hands."

She said that, as the traditional western alliance is threatened by the new US presidency and Brexit, "the times in which we can fully count on others are somewhat over, as I have experienced in the past few days."

While Germany and Europe would strive to maintain relations with America and Britain, Ms Merkel said "we need to know we must fight for our own future, as Europeans, for our destiny."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 60486.html

She's right, y'know. If America is going to be backward then we need to forge on without them. It's time to join China in carving out a sustainable future.
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Post by Animavore » Sun May 28, 2017 4:16 pm

Dear President Trump,

Their names were Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche and Ricky John Best. One was a recent college graduate. The other was an army veteran and father of four. I wish we would hear you say these names, or even just tweet them. They were brave Americans who died at the hands of someone who, when all the facts are collected, we may have every right to call a terrorist. A third brave man, Micah David-Cole Fletcher, was wounded in the knife attack.

This story may not neatly fit into a narrative you pushed on the campaign trail and that has followed you into the White House. They were not killed by an undocumented immigrant or a "radical Islamic terrorist." They were killed in an act of civic love, facing down a man allegedly spewing hate speech directed at two teenage girls, one of whom was wearing a hijab. That man seems to have a public record of "extremist ideology" - a term issued by the Portland Police Bureau.

This "extremism" may be of a different type than gets most of your attention, or even the attention in the press. But that doesn't make it any less serious, or deadly. And this kind of "extremism" is on the rise, especially in the wake of your political ascendency. Most people who study these sorts of things do not think that is a coincidence. I do not blame you directly for this incident. Nor do I think other people should. But what a President says, who he has around him, and the tone he sets can set the tone for the nation at large.

Perhaps Portland, Oregon is off your radar. It is, after all, a rather liberal place. It's even a "sanctuary city." But it is still an American city. And you are its President. Two Americans have died leaving family and friends behind. They are mourned by millions more who are also deeply worried about what might come next.

I hope you can find it worthy of your time to take notice.
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Post by Tero » Sun May 28, 2017 9:35 pm

Kansas City Trump region Floyd fans clueless about Waters and politics:
Roger Waters kicked off his “Us and Them” tour last night in Kansas City, Missouri, and at least a few fans were not happy with the legendary Pink Floyd artist for including anti-Trump messages in the show. According to the Kansas City Star, some fans walked out while Roger Waters and his band played the Pink Floyd song “Money,” while images of Trump’s failed casinos, Russian buildings, and photos of Kremlin officials flashed on the large screens surrounding the stage. One fan raised his middle finger toward the stage as he left the Sprint Center arena, apparently upset....
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Post by JimC » Sun May 28, 2017 9:54 pm

Waters is the most left-wing millionaire (or possibly billionaire) I can think of... :tea:
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Post by Tero » Sun May 28, 2017 10:28 pm

Yeah, why doesn't he give it away? He would have less angst! :D

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Post by Hermit » Sun May 28, 2017 10:52 pm

JimC wrote:Waters is the most left-wing millionaire (or possibly billionaire) I can thin k of... :tea:
According to this list Paul McCartney is the only billionaire among the pop music world's gerontocracy.
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