General Election UK, June 8th...

[Brian Peacock]

The Tories have been getting more and more right wing for quite a while now. It was always said that they support a strong health system and welfare state. Not any more. They are certainly to the right of the Dems.

Now they're to the right of the Democrats, and here I thought the American political spectrum was so far to the right of the civilized world that it was like we were living in our own little bubble. Now we have the Brits being all fascist with us? Whose next? The Ozzies and the Canucks? I bet they'll be getting all fascist soon too.

The general political climate of West is shifting towards the authoritarianism which relies on economic insecurity, a sense of personal peril, and scapegoating.

Please dont use big brush strokes Brian. The Anglo-Saxon countries yes. Europe is a different place which is one of the reasons the UK wants to leave.

Well, I did say 'generally'. Neither am I saying that authoritarianism has de facto control. Even in your own country, which is far from a right-leaning sinkhole, you'd have to agree that the far-right have more of a foot hold in the national political debate than they used to.

[Scot Dutchy]

Well, I did say 'generally'. Neither am I saying that authoritarianism has de facto control. Even in your own country, which is far from a right-leaning sinkhole, you'd have to agree that the far-right have more of a foot hold in the national political debate than they used to.

We have always had far right movements here but they have been exceptionally quiet the last few years. Wilders is a lot of things but not right wing which seems odd with his anti-muslim rhetoric but his other policies would look good on a socialist party's manifesto. What has disappeared here is the far left. There was when I came here a strong communist party. Yep the CPN which had strong support in Limburg (coal mines) and Groningen (had nothing but heren (gentleman) farms). The coal has gone and the heren farms have little to say these days. In fact the political landscape has if anything moved slightly left of centre. Our taxes are just as high so are benefits. The style of the benefits have changed. Less long term than they used to be but the basic social benefit that everyone is entitled to is still reasonable. The social services moved from national to town council level but after a few hiccups a running fairly smoothly.

Our problem just now is forming a government. Four parties have been talking for two months but it has been declared a failure and there are few options. Wilders is still very much out in the cold. It looks like a minority government for a few years. It could easily work. Three parties are just short of a few seats. It has been done often before. We dont have whips in our parties so everyone has a free vote.

[Strontium Dog]

Not so sure, following the Manchester attack, the French president wants to prolong the emergency state that's due to finish on June 30 and has been going fon for years already, and to create an 'anti terror" task force that would answer directly to him... that guy looks to me like a tyrant in the making.

Yeah, the world is full of tyrants from the liberal political tradition

[mistermack]

There was a poll out today that put the gap down to five percent, from somewhere near twenty.

The pound plunged today on the money markets.


Could there be some kind of link?

You could make a lot of money, out of knowing the next opinion poll.

[Scot Dutchy]

Reminds of Major's win for the tories. Nobody gave him a chance.

It is the anti-May feeling not pro-Corbyn that is happening.

[pErvinalia]

I'm hoping for a miracle. Neoliberalism needs to be killed off in the UK.

[Scot Dutchy]

Brexit will kill it off and everything as well.

[Strontium Dog]

Brexit will kill it off and everything as well.

Eh? Brexit is an ignorant reaction against neoliberalism. When Brexit is a disaster, people may finally realise what a truly great thing globalisation is.

[Strontium Dog]

Corbyn is doing better than expected, at this rate he may even retain 160 of his 230-odd MPs.

[Brian Peacock]

Corbyn today: "Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed out the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries, such as Libya, and terrorism here at home. That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and implacably held to account for their actions. Protecting this country requires us to be both strong against terrorism and strong against the causes of terrorism. The blame is with the terrorists, but if we are to protect our people we must be honest about what threatens our security. We must be brave enough to admit that the 'war on terror' is not working. We need a smarter way to reduce the threat from countries which nurture terrorists and generate terrorism.”

The Daily Mail: Theresa May lashes Jeremy Corbyn for saying Manchester attack is 'our fault'
The Daily Telegraph: Revealed: Jeremy Corbyn's three decades of blocking terror legislation
The Evening Standard: Jeremy Corbyn accused over 'inappropriate and crassly timed' speech on terror
The Daily Express: Theresa May rages at Corbyn at G7 as she blasts ‘there is NEVER an excuse for terrorism’

Somebody's worried.

[Scot Dutchy]

Brexit will kill it off and everything as well.

Eh? Brexit is an ignorant reaction against neoliberalism. When Brexit is a disaster, people may finally realise what a truly great thing globalisation is.

YOP I take it. Most people probably the vast majority do not have a clue what globalism is and could or wont even care. Brexit is already a disaster and May realises it and in fact for her the best result of the election would be a hung parliament with Labour and LibDems forming a coalition. The would fail miserably in the talks with the EU and withdraw Art 50 letter leaving BoJo a free run at the next election. May would be unceremoniously dropped by then. This is party politics being played with the country's economy.

[Feck]

The leader of the Scottish conservatives has said the Scottish economy is failing and not enough immigrants have moved here (how many levels of WTF can she sink to?)
In fact Awesome Hound has more of a mandate to talk about Scotland and multiculturalism than she does.
While her party has taken a big slide towards UKIP in it's manifesto while Westminster conservatives promise a reduction in immigration while her party takes us out of Europe
that fat fucking dwarf who represents nothing more than a couple of fox hunting organizations in the borders thinks she can say the problem with Scotland is not enough migrants .

[pErvinalia]

I didn't understand any of that.

[Brian Peacock]

Labour has accused the Conservatives of “fake news” after a Tory attack video that went viral was edited to show Jeremy Corbyn refusing to condemn the IRA, when in fact the Labour leader said: “I condemn all the bombing by the loyalists and the IRA.”

The 85-second montage of Corbyn’s quotes has been circulating online for the last week and has been viewed 5.3m times, three times more than any other political campaign video. The Conservatives are also paying Facebook to insert it into people’s news feeds. It is subtitled: “On June 9th, this man could be Prime Minister. We can’t let that happen.”

It includes a clip from Corbyn’s appearance on Sky News last month when interviewer Sophy Ridge asked whether he could “condemn unequivocally the IRA”. The Labour leader said: “Look, bombing is wrong, all bombing is wrong, of course I condemn it.” Ridge responded: “But you’re condemning all bombing, can you condemn the IRA without equating it to.” Corbyn said: “No.”

The clip was cut off there but the full quote was: “No, I think what you have to say is all bombing has to be condemned and you have to bring about a peace process. Listen, in the 1980s Britain was looking for a military solution, it clearly was never going to work. Ask anyone in the British army at the time … I condemn all the bombing by the loyalists and the IRA.”

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The number of people who have watched the film is similar to a televised party election broadcast audience, but because it is on Facebook it is not regulated by Ofcom, which can only consider complaints about “unjust or unfair treatment of individuals or organisations” in TV party broadcasts.

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The row came as the main parties cranked up their spending on Facebook advertising with six days to go until the election. Despite the Labour leader’s rising popularity the Conservatives are heavily targeting Corbyn with nine out of 10 of their adverts attacking him, according to an analysis of 889 Facebook ads placed by the three main parties into the feeds of more than 8,000 voters. The data has been gathered by the Who Targets Me project and analysed by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

One is subtitled: “A leader who supports our armed forces or one who wants to abolish them? The choice is clear: Corbyn and your security is too big a risk.”

The false claim may derive from the Conservatives’ attack video which includes a clip of Corbyn saying the words “abolish their army”. It is taken from a speech he gave at a Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament event in 2012 when he said: “Wouldn’t it be wonderful if every politician around the world, instead of taking pride in the size of their armed forces, did what the people of Costa Rica have done and abolished their army and took pride in the fact they don’t have an army?”...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... _clipboard

I say, that's hardly playing the game on a level playing field or with a straight bat.

[DaveDodo007]

Corbyn today: "Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed out the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries, such as Libya, and terrorism here at home. That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and implacably held to account for their actions. Protecting this country requires us to be both strong against terrorism and strong against the causes of terrorism. The blame is with the terrorists, but if we are to protect our people we must be honest about what threatens our security. We must be brave enough to admit that the 'war on terror' is not working. We need a smarter way to reduce the threat from countries which nurture terrorists and generate terrorism.”

The Daily Mail: Theresa May lashes Jeremy Corbyn for saying Manchester attack is 'our fault'
The Daily Telegraph: Revealed: Jeremy Corbyn's three decades of blocking terror legislation
The Evening Standard: Jeremy Corbyn accused over 'inappropriate and crassly timed' speech on terror
The Daily Express: Theresa May rages at Corbyn at G7 as she blasts ‘there is NEVER an excuse for terrorism’

Somebody's worried.

Jesus Christ you lefty/liberals are retarded twats. Though show me what Sweden did to deserve the truck of peace, where was their evil invasions of the ME. Also what did the Philippines do to deserve an Isis attack. You lefty/liberals are nothing but cowards and traitors who sell your own country out to invaders, you yellow pieces of shit.

Christ how old are you as in every election there is always a surge by the opposition party two weeks before polling, it is like the MSM like to make it more interesting. Tories are going to win by 80 seats but even they must realize their leader is a robotic, stock phases repeating cunt who is awkward around normal people. Still the only choice for a hard Brexit and if she fails well get rid.