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Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:17 pm

Fairly credible and reasonable article suggesting the US conclusion that the Syrian government was responsible for an aerial chemical attack is faulty.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mit-expert-c ... 19428.html
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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:42 pm

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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:53 am

Why what? Why did the US want to find it was the Syrian government? That's pretty obvious. They have wanted Assad gone the whole time. Or perhaps it was just an excuse for Trump to be the big man and launch a fuckton of missiles at an easy target without causing any civilian casualties.
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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by mistermack » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:19 am

I wouldn't be surprised if it was organised by the CIA. Or Mossad.

You only have to look at who would benefit from it. And it certainly wasn't Assad.

The way that the whole of the British media immediately went with the line that it was Assad tells me that they are controlled. Something I knew already, but each little instance like this reinforces the certainty.

It would be easy to set up. Assad is sending planes and bombing the other side. You just let the stuff off during a raid. That's if there actually ever was a chemical release at all.
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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by Feck » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:24 pm

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The way that the whole of the British media immediately went with the line that it was Assad tells me that they are controlled. Something I knew already, but each little instance like this reinforces the certainty.
The BBC interviewed the UK's former ambassador to Syria who said that there was no proof that Assad was responsible .
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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by mistermack » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:05 pm

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The way that the whole of the British media immediately went with the line that it was Assad tells me that they are controlled. Something I knew already, but each little instance like this reinforces the certainty.
The BBC interviewed the UK's former ambassador to Syria who said that there was no proof that Assad was responsible .
That's the way the BBC works. It will always include some slight semblance of neutrality that they can point to. But for that one interview, there have been dozens or even hundreds of interviews and speeches that treated Assad's responsibility as a matter of undisputed fact.

Basically, they give out the required message, but cover their asses. It's not rocket science but it's enough to fool the majority of punters.
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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by Feck » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:18 pm

So there is no way you can be wrong then ? like all conspiracy theories :banghead:
I 've noticed that is exactly the same technique the UFO people are using . They claim every explainable sighting was a false flag to cover up the real alien landings.
You say all media promoted one opinion, I point out that at least one major media outlet aired a differing point of view ....... now THAT becomes evidence for your conspiracy ?
Well done, you can never be wrong with logic like that .
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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by Feck » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:28 pm

List of options :
No gas was used it's all fake ,
One of the anti Assad factions released a chemical weapon just to blame Assad,
A conventional weapon hit a stockpile,
Assad used some of the chemicals we know he had,
Someone, without orders, used some of the weapons Assad claimed they didn't have .
Take your pick ! We have been given no definitive proof of any of them ...
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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by mistermack » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:41 am

Feck wrote:So there is no way you can be wrong then ?
Absolutely no way I can be wrong. Because what I said was, " I wouldn't be surprised if "
and that I know to be a fact.

As far as what happened goes, all I've heard in the way of evidence from the US is " we know this " whereas Professor Theodore Postol analysed their evidence and said that it doesn't justify that claim, and looks far more likely that the gas shell shown was not dropped from a plane, but set off with explosive on the ground.

In any case, conspiracy theories can be right, conspiracies do happen, and the US government has a lot of form when it comes to justifying military action with false facts.

And the British media HAVE been treating it as an established fact, en masse.
This MIT prof hasn't been reported on the BBC, and there has been no questioning at all of the truth of the US claim, other than one lunchtime interview with the former ambassador.

It's not balanced, or investigative journalism, and they've succeeded in leaving no doubt in the public's mind, that Assad let off chemical weapons, when he probably didn't.
And that's because they have an agenda, to portray Assad and Putin as monsters.

The truth as far as Syria goes, is that Assad has majority support, the West caused the war with encouragement and hints of help to the rebels, (as well as supplying them with arms) and the people who have benefited most are Israel and by extension the US and Saudi Arabia.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:13 am

Feck wrote:So there is no way you can be wrong then ? like all conspiracy theories :banghead:
I 've noticed that is exactly the same technique the UFO people are using . They claim every explainable sighting was a false flag to cover up the real alien landings.
You say all media promoted one opinion, I point out that at least one major media outlet aired a differing point of view ....... now THAT becomes evidence for your conspiracy ?
Well done, you can never be wrong with logic like that .
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Post by Feck » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:16 pm

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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by Galaxian » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:14 pm

Feck wrote:So there is no way you can be wrong then ? like all conspiracy theories :banghead:
I 've noticed that is exactly the same technique the UFO people are using . They claim every explainable sighting was a false flag to cover up the real alien landings.
You say all media promoted one opinion, I point out that at least one major media outlet aired a differing point of view ....... now THAT becomes evidence for your conspiracy ?
Well done, you can never be wrong with logic like that .
Feck wrote:List of options :
No gas was used it's all fake ,
One of the anti Assad factions released a chemical weapon just to blame Assad,
A conventional weapon hit a stockpile,
Assad used some of the chemicals we know he had,
Someone, without orders, used some of the weapons Assad claimed they didn't have .
Take your pick ! We have been given no definitive proof of any of them ...
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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:32 pm

Galaxian wrote:...
What a crock full of dung! Who are these "conspiracy theorists" that you speak of?...
Oh Galaxian, your ironies are delicious.
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Re: Syrian Sarin Attack - Inconsistencies

Post by Tyrannical » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:15 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Galaxian wrote:...
What a crock full of dung! Who are these "conspiracy theorists" that you speak of?...
Oh Galaxian, your ironies are delicious.
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Post by Hermit » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:40 am

Tyrannical wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Galaxian wrote:...
What a crock full of dung! Who are these "conspiracy theorists" that you speak of?...
Oh Galaxian, your ironies are delicious.
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Nobody likes you Brian. Do us all a favour and vanish.
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