The US Healthcare Mass Debate

[Tero]

Bloodsuckers not drinking Bud Light in mass quantity!
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[Forty Two]

Bloodsuckers not drinking Bud Light in mass quantity!
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Everything should be free; anything less than that is a death sentence.

[Tero]

It's getting hard to keep up here.... wasn't Obamacare really just a giveaway to the big insurance companies? Wasn't it just a Republican plan anyway, the same thing Mit Romney would have passed? Why do we want it, again? Was Mit Romney's plan, which basically Obamacare was taken from, a good thing?

That's how we do it in Merika. If corporations are not involved it's socialism. We use "contractors" who bribe the politicians to get contracts.

[Forty Two]

So, Obamacare was a giveaway to the big insurance companies, yes? And it was just a Republican plan that was based on what Mit Romney did in Massachusetts? Yes?

Why do we want it, again?

[Tero]

The giveaways are a grab for all. You get the smallest bit as our politicians are bribable so they gave the bigger hunk to insurance co's. But you got something. Then the insurance got greedy and decided to pull out. They have enough low risk corporate clients. Even the bribe was not enough to keep them in.

[Forty Two]

I received nothing. I lost a ton. My insurance is worse, and my premium tripled - deductible is way higher. Don't you dare say "you got something" -- well, other than a kick in the nuts... that I got. Good and hard. If that's the something I got, then yes, I got it.

Your posts are always so general, with no backup. It's as if they're just your feeling about the law, and not about what it really does.

[Tero]

I paid 1200 a month a partial year on COBRA in 2015 for 2 people. With Obama's rules...vaccines, checkups etc...caused the corporate rate to be that without my former employer's subsidy. It is INSURANCE of any sort that drives up the medical charges, not Obamacare or even Trumpcare.

[Tero]

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To be clear, this bill does nothing to improve the health of Americans. Nor does it reduce the staggering cost of health care, or lessen its inexorable rise. The likelihood is that the overall health of our citizens will get worse, especially among those who cannot afford the full coverage they have today, including a large proportion of Trump voters. All the bill accomplishes is to shift the burden of paying for health care from the wealthy and healthy to middle class and unhealthy citizens.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/05/heres-th ... ntary.html

[Forty Two]

I paid 1200 a month a partial year on COBRA in 2015 for 2 people. With Obama's rules...vaccines, checkups etc...caused the corporate rate to be that without my former employer's subsidy. It is INSURANCE of any sort that drives up the medical charges, not Obamacare or even Trumpcare.

So why are you extolling the virtues of Obamacare, and descrying Trumpcare?

[Forty Two]

All the bill accomplishes is to shift the burden of paying for health care from the wealthy and healthy to middle class and unhealthy citizens.

How does the bill accomplish that?

And, is the burden of paying for health care on the wealthy and healthy now? How so?

The subsidies are not granted based on wealth. They're based on income. What's the cutoff on income as to who gets a subsidy and who doesn't?

Right now the system soaks the middle class, and drives up costs and premiums while doing it.

[Tero]

Simple! Standard republican plan:
1 cut funding to program
2 announce program is not work anymore
3 delete program

[Tero]

I paid 1200 a month a partial year on COBRA in 2015 for 2 people. With Obama's rules...vaccines, checkups etc...caused the corporate rate to be that without my former employer's subsidy. It is INSURANCE of any sort that drives up the medical charges, not Obamacare or even Trumpcare.

So why are you extolling the virtues of Obamacare, and descrying Trumpcare?

Trumpcare is crap. Why would I pay even 500 a month for insurance that "pulls the plug" on me as soon as we hit the lifetime cap or yearly cap.

[JimC]

Forty Two wrote:

But, to a socialist, the State listening and tracking without your knowledge or consent is fine, and in fact they should be the only entity that can do it (even with your consent).

Well, there are circumstances such as in the monitoring of terrorists or organised crime where such surveillance by the state is clearly required (although it should involve some form of judicial oversight). Obviously, such surveillance outside such a context is not healthy.

However, corporate surveillance for the benefit of profit is out of control, and needs to be resisted...

[pErvinalia]

It's getting hard to keep up here.... wasn't Obamacare really just a giveaway to the big insurance companies? Wasn't it just a Republican plan anyway, the same thing Mit Romney would have passed? Why do we want it, again? Was Mit Romney's plan, which basically Obamacare was taken from, a good thing?

No, it wasn't. And this just highlights the farce that your healthcare debate is in the US.

[Tero]

They will fiddle a little with details and probably rule that caps for year and lifetime are not allowed. But subsidies are gone. Only tax breaks will remain.

"Trumpcare is a giant, broken promise to working people, the hard-working people of this great country of ours," Schumer said, adding that he hopes the Senate adopts a bipartisan approach on healthcare.

"I hope my Republican friends toss this House bill out the window and resist the temptation to follow the same partisan rushed process," he said. "I hope my friends on the other side of the aisle drop repeal, which is hurting our healthcare system right now ... and start working with Democrats to make our healthcare better."

Multiple GOP senators revealed last week that they will not take up the House bill in the Senate and, rather, will draft their own bill.

The bill is being drafted by a group of 13 senators, which includes no women. Among those excluded from the group is Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, a high-profile GOP centrist, who released her own healthcare proposal with Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La., a physician, in January.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schum ... le/2622451