The US Healthcare Mass Debate

[pErvinalia]

Rand Paul found two Medicaid recipients in his state! Must stop Obamacare now!

Medicaid existed before Obamacare. What are you on about?

Obamacare must be stopped because it is an unsustainable, giant, cumbersome waste of fucking money, which does far more harm than good. It hurts people - it hurts hundreds of millions of people, and helps very few. It's a giant "fuck you" to the working class and the middle class.

How's Trump's plan going to address that?

[Tero]

Rand Paul found two Medicaid recipients in his state! Must stop Obamacare now!

Medicaid existed before Obamacare. What are you on about?

Obamacare must be stopped because it is an unsustainable, giant, cumbersome waste of fucking money, which does far more harm than good. It hurts people - it hurts hundreds of millions of people, and helps very few. It's a giant "fuck you" to the working class and the middle class.

They are building up Trump-don't-care. One of the main features is to minimize Medicaid. MEDICARE is next.

[Tero]

SENATORS to get some shit together soon
Guardian
Under the House plan, 23 million Americans would lose health insurance over the next decade and some of the nation’s sickest could face significantly higher premiums and out-of-pocket costs, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The Republican plan is widely unpopular with the public, a number of surveys have shown.

The president’s shift in tone suggests a willingness to embrace a healthcare proposal that does not go as far in rewriting the 2010 law.

“Obamacare is broken and it’s been a broken promise,” Trump told reporters at the start of the luncheon.

Trump praised the work of the senators in the room. “I really appreciate what you’re doing,” he said, “to come out with a bill that’s going to be a phenomenal bill to the people of our country: generous, kind – with heart. That’s what I’m saying.”

John Thune, a Republican senator for South Dakota who attended the meeting with Trump, said the president conveyed to the assembled group “that it’s OK that the Senate is going its own direction”.

“He was happy to hear that we’re making good progress and is hopeful that we’ll be able to get this done soon because I think there is a sense of urgency,” Thune said.

But the shape and substance of that plan remain a mystery as senators have refused to share details about the negotiations publicly despite a determination to hold a vote on the bill before the Fourth of July recess – and if not by then, before the August recess a few weeks later.

Following the meeting with the president on Tuesday, Republicans sought to downplay expectations that they might finalize the bill by the end of the week. During the press conference, GOP Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell avoided answering a question about whether there would be a vote before the July Fourth recess.

“Our goal is to move forward quickly,” McConnell said.

[Scot Dutchy]

Strange how the name McConnell keeps popping up in so many country's political scene.

[Forty Two]

SENATORS to get some shit together soon
Guardian
Under the House plan, 23 million Americans would lose health insurance over the next decade

Ludicrous. Let's see how that bullshit number is calculated. "We project that under Obamacare, from its inception to the next decade, we'd insurance 50 million people who were uninsured. We project that under the Republican plan, which we haven't read, only 27 million of those will be insured at the end of the decade. Therefore 23 million will lose their insurance. It's simple maths based on models that have never been right, and data which we made up."

and some of the nation’s sickest could face significantly higher premiums and out-of-pocket costs, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The Republican plan is widely unpopular with the public, a number of surveys have shown.

It's unpopular with the public, despite the fact that nobody knows what's in it. And, now it's a problem to raise premiums, even though they've generally tripled and quadrupled over the past 5 years.

The president’s shift in tone suggests a willingness to embrace a healthcare proposal that does not go as far in rewriting the 2010 law.

“Obamacare is broken and it’s been a broken promise,” Trump told reporters at the start of the luncheon.

Trump praised the work of the senators in the room. “I really appreciate what you’re doing,” he said, “to come out with a bill that’s going to be a phenomenal bill to the people of our country: generous, kind – with heart. That’s what I’m saying.”

John Thune, a Republican senator for South Dakota who attended the meeting with Trump, said the president conveyed to the assembled group “that it’s OK that the Senate is going its own direction”.

“He was happy to hear that we’re making good progress and is hopeful that we’ll be able to get this done soon because I think there is a sense of urgency,” Thune said.

But the shape and substance of that plan remain a mystery

The shape and substance of the plan remain a mystery, which is how we know it will cost 23 million people their health insurance.

as senators have refused to share details about the negotiations publicly despite a determination to hold a vote on the bill before the Fourth of July recess – and if not by then, before the August recess a few weeks later.

Because now it's very important to vet the bill and read it before we find out what's in it. When Democrats want to pass things, we don't need to read the bill before we pass it, because we have to pass it before we find out what's in it. But, despite not having read it and despite not knowing what's in it, we were able to project that it would work as intended.

The media can be trusted to accurately report these issues, because nobody is as thorough as a modern journalist in ensuring they get the numbers and the data right.

[Forty Two]

Rand Paul found two Medicaid recipients in his state! Must stop Obamacare now!

Medicaid existed before Obamacare. What are you on about?

Obamacare must be stopped because it is an unsustainable, giant, cumbersome waste of fucking money, which does far more harm than good. It hurts people - it hurts hundreds of millions of people, and helps very few. It's a giant "fuck you" to the working class and the middle class.

How's Trump's plan going to address that?

It's not. That's why I oppose it. I'm in favor of repeal.

Obamacare did not address the sky high premiums, and in fact it made the matter worse. One of the big things in 2010 was the amount that Americans pay for health insurance and health care. Obamacare increase both of those markedly. It failed to solve the problem.

[Tero]

Because now it's very important to vet the bill and read it before we find out what's in it. When Democrats want to pass things, we don't need to read the bill before we pass it, because we have to pass it before we find out what's in it. But, despite not having read it and despite not knowing what's in it, we were able to project that it would work as intended.

We don't need to read either bill. Democrat bills give you stuff and tax the rich. Republican bills take away stuff and give oodles to the 1%.

[Forty Two]

Because now it's very important to vet the bill and read it before we find out what's in it. When Democrats want to pass things, we don't need to read the bill before we pass it, because we have to pass it before we find out what's in it. But, despite not having read it and despite not knowing what's in it, we were able to project that it would work as intended.

We don't need to read either bill. Democrat bills give you stuff and tax the rich. Republican bills take away stuff and give oodles to the 1%.

[pErvinalia]

Rand Paul found two Medicaid recipients in his state! Must stop Obamacare now!

Medicaid existed before Obamacare. What are you on about?

Obamacare must be stopped because it is an unsustainable, giant, cumbersome waste of fucking money, which does far more harm than good. It hurts people - it hurts hundreds of millions of people, and helps very few. It's a giant "fuck you" to the working class and the middle class.

How's Trump's plan going to address that?

It's not. That's why I oppose it. I'm in favor of repeal.

Won't repealing just give you as a nation what you had before - i.e. Lots of people unable to get adequate healthcare?

[Tero]

Keep taxes? To pay for stuff? What a novel idea.
http://www.nydailynews.com/newswires/ne ... -1.3249948

[Tero]

Obama unable to push single payer in 2009:
If I was starting from scratch, I would have supported a single-payer system, because it’s easier for people to understand and manage,” he told Vox in 2016. But in 2009, after a campaign built on hope and change, he was trying to build bipartisan support for his plan, and if that failed, he needed swing Democratic votes like Nebraska’s Ben Nelson and Connecticut’s Joe Lieberman — and they weren’t going to go for single-payer.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... dicare-all

[Scot Dutchy]

Keep taxes? To pay for stuff? What a novel idea.
http://www.nydailynews.com/newswires/ne ... -1.3249948

Especially for the orange scrotum.

[JimC]

If they can't pay for medical help, they obviously don't deserve to live!

Parasites, these poor people!

[Brian Peacock]

Rand Paul found two Medicaid recipients in his state! Must stop Obamacare now!

Medicaid existed before Obamacare. What are you on about?

Obamacare must be stopped because it is an unsustainable, giant, cumbersome waste of fucking money, which does far more harm than good. It hurts people - it hurts hundreds of millions of people, and helps very few. It's a giant "fuck you" to the working class and the middle class.

How's Trump's plan going to address that?

Congressional Budget Office concluded that ACA wasn't in a 'death spiral' and that insurance premium rises were in line with rises in medical costs.

[Scot Dutchy]

The mega free clinics will still be very busy.

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