The cutting edge - Homeopathy.

[Rum]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34744858

Homeopathy 'could be blacklisted'

By James Gallagher
Health editor, BBC News website

Ministers are considering whether homeopathy should be put on a blacklist of treatments GPs in England are banned from prescribing, the BBC has learned.

The controversial practice is based on the principle that "like cures like", but critics say patients are being given useless sugar pills.

The Faculty of Homeopathy said the therapy had "profound effects" and patients backed it.

A consultation is expected to take place in 2016.

The total NHS bill for homeopathy, including homeopathic hospitals and GP prescriptions, is thought to be about £4m.

How homeopathic pills are made

Homeopathy is based on the concept that diluting a version of a substance that causes illness has healing properties.

So pollen or grass could be used to create a homeopathic hay-fever remedy.

One part of the substance is mixed with 99 parts of water or alcohol, and this is repeated six times in a "6c" formulation or 30 times in a "30c" formulation.

The end result is combined with a lactose (sugar) tablet.

Homeopaths say the more diluted it is, the greater the effect. Critics say patients are getting nothing but sugar.

Common homeopathic treatments are for asthma, ear infections, hay-fever, depression, stress, anxiety, allergy and arthritis.

Source: British Homeopathic Association

But the NHS itself says: "There is no good-quality evidence that homeopathy is effective as a treatment for any health condition."

The Good Thinking Society has been campaigning for homeopathy to be added to the NHS blacklist - known formally as Schedule 1 - of drugs that cannot be prescribed by GPs.

Drugs can be blacklisted if there are cheaper alternatives or if the medicine is not effective.

After the Good Thinking Society threatened to take their case to the courts, Department of Health legal advisers replied in emails that ministers had "decided to conduct a consultation".

Officials have now confirmed this will take place in 2016.

Debate

Simon Singh, the founder of the Good Thinking Society, said: "Given the finite resources of the NHS, any spending on homeopathy is utterly unjustifiable.

"The money spent on these disproven remedies can be far better spent on treatments that offer real benefits to patients."

But Dr Helen Beaumont, a GP and the president of the Faculty of Homeopathy, said other drugs such as SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) for depression would be a better target for saving money, as homeopathic pills had a "profound effect" on patients.

She told the BBC News website: "Patient choice is important; homeopathy works, it's widely used by doctors in Europe, and patients who are treated by homeopathy are really convinced of its benefits, as am I."

The result of the consultation would affect GP prescribing, but not homeopathic hospitals which account for the bulk of the NHS money spent on homeopathy.

Estimates suggest GP prescriptions account for about £110,000 per year.

And any decision would not affect people buying the treatments over the counter or privately.

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt was criticised for supporting a parliamentary motion on homeopathy, but in an interview last year argued "when resources are tight we have to follow the evidence".

Minister for Life Sciences, George Freeman, told the BBC: "With rising health demands, we have a duty to make sure we spend NHS funds on the most effective treatments.

"We are currently considering whether or not homeopathic products should continue to be available through NHS prescriptions.

"We expect to consult on proposals in due course."

[Svartalf]

This has a deep link to the placebo thread and should doctors be allowed to prescribe placebos.

[Pappa]

Excellent. I hope this happens.

[cronus]

Not much money compared with the overall health budget. Better to be prescribed by the NHS than patients being driven underground where they might obtain the stuff diluted still further with tap water?

[Sælir]

Not much money compared with the overall health budget. Better to be prescribed by the NHS than patients being driven underground where they might obtain the stuff diluted still further with tap water?

[mistermack]

I hear Al Qaida are planning a gigantic atrocity, to kill most of the people in New York, using homeopathic poison.
One drop of arsenic in the main reservoir should do the trick.

[JimC]

I should be able to get absolutely plastered by starting with a drop of gin, and diluting it as many times as they do!

[Brian Peacock]

Me, I'd prefer a big Pharma full-strength tested on chimps and pigs scientifically developed peer reviewed rigorously regulated cure, but I guess that kind of attitude just blocks my chakrahs or something so it wouldn't work on me anyways.

[Rum]

Crystals man. Crystals is where its at.

[Sean Hayden]

There are several shops near me selling this stuff. But they never look open.

There's even a new age coach/counselor...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

This has a deep link to the placebo thread and should doctors be allowed to prescribe placebos.

Not if it costs one fucking penny of tax! And especially as sending a patient away with the instruction to eat one sugarlump a day would be equally effective! Free placebos are the best placebos.

[Svartalf]

This has a deep link to the placebo thread and should doctors be allowed to prescribe placebos.

Not if it costs one fucking penny of tax! And especially as sending a patient away with the instruction to eat one sugarlump a day would be equally effective! Free placebos are the best placebos.

except the price has effect into how efficient we think placebos are.

[mistermack]

Placebos only work if you think that they're the real thing.
But the NHS could easily buy a pill machine, that knocks them out for fuck-all.
I'm sure you can set the machine to do various styles of pill. The cost would be nearly nil.
With no chance of side-effects or overdose.

All the people want is a person in a white coat giving them a pill. For some, it does work.

Homeopathy is a pseudoscience—a belief that is incorrectly presented as scientific—and is ineffective for treating any condition.

Nice that wiki tells it straight. I'm surprised that the wankers haven't tried to sue.

Actually, I just remembered something that Stephen Fry said on QI last night.
He produced three glasses of water, one was purified sewage, one was sea water, and the other was ultra-purified water. He asked which was the safe one to drink, and it was the treated sewage.
Apparently, water that is too pure can kill you, by doing something to your cells. (According to QI researchers anyway). You need some of the impurities.
Of course, one glass wouldn't do it.

[Hermit]

[Brian Peacock]

"Sometime I think a statistically negligible quantity of arsenic just isn't enough."
"That's crazy talk!"