The Shadow of Munich Haunts the Iran Negotiations
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The Shadow of Munich Haunts the Iran Negotiations
The Shadow of Munich Haunts the Iran Negotiations
Once again our leaders are needlessly appeasing a hostile state that shows them nothing but contempt. The Western capitulation to Adolf Hitler in the 1938 Munich Agreement is cited as classic appeasement that destroyed Czechoslovakia, backfired on France and Britain, and led to World War II. All of that is true. But there was much more that caused the Munich debacle than simple Western naiveté. The full tragedy of that ill-fated agreement should warn us on the eve of the Obama’s administration’s gullible agreement with Iran on nuclear proliferation.
Fable one is the idea that most people saw right through the Munich folly. True, Europeans knew that Hitler had never once told the truth and was already murdering German citizens who were Jews, Communists, or homosexuals. But Europeans did not care all that much.
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Once again our leaders are needlessly appeasing a hostile state that shows them nothing but contempt. The Western capitulation to Adolf Hitler in the 1938 Munich Agreement is cited as classic appeasement that destroyed Czechoslovakia, backfired on France and Britain, and led to World War II. All of that is true. But there was much more that caused the Munich debacle than simple Western naiveté. The full tragedy of that ill-fated agreement should warn us on the eve of the Obama’s administration’s gullible agreement with Iran on nuclear proliferation.
Fable one is the idea that most people saw right through the Munich folly. True, Europeans knew that Hitler had never once told the truth and was already murdering German citizens who were Jews, Communists, or homosexuals. But Europeans did not care all that much.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... vis-hanson
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National Review? Wow, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel, Scumple.
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I reached the end?Ian wrote:National Review? Wow, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel, Scumple.
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Fuck ya burrowed into the bottom like a teredo worm. ....it's a fucking Godwin TITLE!!!!
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better here
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Ultimately Bibi got a mandate in the election. You got a 'inspired' pilot in the cockpit and he's locked the door. June is not going to end well. Optimists are welcome, they keep the passengers calm.
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Munich didn't cause problems that quickly.Scumple wrote:Ultimately Bibi got a mandate in the election. You got a 'inspired' pilot in the cockpit and he's locked the door. June is not going to end well. Optimists are welcome, they keep the passengers calm.
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Crap journalism does that....Warren Dew wrote:Munich didn't cause problems that quickly.Scumple wrote:Ultimately Bibi got a mandate in the election. You got a 'inspired' pilot in the cockpit and he's locked the door. June is not going to end well. Optimists are welcome, they keep the passengers calm.
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I suspect ISIS has busted Iran out of it's shell. It's a threat to going it alone and and if the coalition can eliminate some enemies ....why not.
I'd not be optimistic if Israel were not there willing to pull the trigger on taking out the facilities the rowdy way.
I'd not be optimistic if Israel were not there willing to pull the trigger on taking out the facilities the rowdy way.
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No predictive aftermath...albeit the likelihood is feuding with nukes...in a random sporadic fashion for some time...perhaps until the human die-off makes nukes unavailable - bows and arrows more so...macdoc wrote:I suspect ISIS has busted Iran out of it's shell. It's a threat to going it alone and and if the coalition can eliminate some enemies ....why not.
I'd not be optimistic if Israel were not there willing to pull the trigger on taking out the facilities the rowdy way.
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Sometimes your word soup is almost poetic in some bizarre and surreal way.
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Olden days...would have simply said.Rum wrote:Sometimes your word soup is almost poetic in some bizarre and surreal way.
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It all depends on how effectively the nuclear program can be monitored, in terms of Iran heading down the bomb route. In principle, it would rather arrogant for the west to "forbid" Iran from developing a nuclear power generation industry...
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It's not arrogant when we have the power to turn them into a grease spot and stand to lose if they screw things up. It's not arrogance for a gang leader to forbid one underling from jacking trucks in the South Side, and another from peddling dope on the West Side, it's a function of power, and within his remit.
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Yeah, life isn't a morality play...as I nihilist I can assert this sad trivial reality Jim.
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http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-improve ... rogressed/
Clearly there is stuff happening - we don't see, with these sorts of 'negotiations' but if I was a betting man I'd put the odds on a large crater where that reactor is within the next few months, albeit it's been a long time coming and will probably require a 48hr 'back to the stone age' swipe to clear the risks involved and win the battle decisively? If you listen to what the Iranians have been saying lately it is obvious...they are making last minute confessions...
Clearly there is stuff happening - we don't see, with these sorts of 'negotiations' but if I was a betting man I'd put the odds on a large crater where that reactor is within the next few months, albeit it's been a long time coming and will probably require a 48hr 'back to the stone age' swipe to clear the risks involved and win the battle decisively? If you listen to what the Iranians have been saying lately it is obvious...they are making last minute confessions...
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