Woody Allen: poster boy or victim?

[Tero]

Is he a poster boy for famous pedophiles or a victim of Mia Farrow's brain washing of her kids.

http://www.feministhulk.net/3/post/2014 ... ebook.html

Woody is well known for being attracted to girls 16-19, from his 20s on. But that actually points to "normal" sexuality.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Something may or may not have happened many years ago that essentially comes down to "he said, she said". This is almost always the case with accusations of rape. Unless there is a clearly violent assault accompanied by forensic evidence and/or witnesses, it is all about who a jury will believe.

One way or another, the poor girl has been abused. Whether it was by a paedophile adoptive father, or by a poisonous home-life that has convinced her that such abuse occurred even though it didn't, she is a genuine victim and deserves sympathy.

If Woody Allen did what she accuses him of, then he deserves the full weight of the law. But how can any of us do any more than take sides after all this time?

And what of his work? Do his films stop being good if he gets convicted? What if new evidence comes to light that makes his guilt 100% certain? Should his body of work be tainted by this, whatever the outcome?

There are no easy answers here.

[rachelbean]

What XC said.

[DaveDodo007]

Something may or may not have happened many years ago that essentially comes down to "he said, she said". This is almost always the case with accusations of rape. Unless there is a clearly violent assault accompanied by forensic evidence and/or witnesses, it is all about who a jury will believe.

One way or another, the poor girl has been abused. Whether it was by a paedophile adoptive father, or by a poisonous home-life that has convinced her that such abuse occurred even though it didn't, she is a genuine victim and deserves sympathy.

If Woody Allen did what she accuses him of, then he deserves the full weight of the law. But how can any of us do any more than take sides after all this time?

And what of his work? Do his films stop being good if he gets convicted? What if new evidence comes to light that makes his guilt 100% certain? Should his body of work be tainted by this, whatever the outcome?

There are no easy answers here.

He hasn't made a good movie since Annie Hall, they will stand or fall on their own merits. The rest of your post I agree with. More worrying is how feminists are trying to remove due process in cases involving rape or sexual assault. So in defending the right to the presumption of innocence you end up supporting some unsavory characters because that is the method governments will used to pass restrictive laws.

[pErvinalia]

edit: oops, not in the pub.

[Tero]

Well, you can move it, makes no difference to the world, we don't hardly get new members. No point luring them with duscussions.

The case is too old to try in court. This is an issue of: truth?, discrediting or revenge for the 3 individuals.

[mistermack]

When did Woody Allen films START being good? I missed that.
Every one I've given a try has been shite.

As far as rape goes, he might be guilty, he might be innocent. Impossible to tell after all this time.
But if I close my eyes, and try to conjure up an imaginary pedophile, the picture I get looks awfully like him.

Not that that means anything. Although, it might affect the betting odds.

[Tero]

Yes, that must get him bad press. Pedophiles look like Woody, Bob Dylan today but never like Bruce Springsteen or Ashton Kutcher.

Some can be clever, those look like Tom Hanks or Sean Penn.

[Bella Fortuna]

Re: in what regard does one hold his work - I can see still appreciating it but not wanting to contribute to paying him money for it (if you feel he's guilty).

In interesting contrast is the now-unremembered Bill Cosby rape allegations that had (as far as I can see) far more hard evidence behind it. And the world seemed to just forget about it.
http://gawker.com/who-wants-to-remember ... 1515923178

[Xamonas Chegwé]

He hasn't made a good movie since Annie Hall

Where do I start with the wrongness of this?

Perhaps by simply pointing out that your taste in film is not the same as that of everyone else and that such sweeping generalisations add nothing to a debate. All people that make posts like yours have bad haircuts. FACT!

[Tero]

I liked Bananas and Take The Money and Run and the giant boob one. What kind of hair cut will that get me?

[Hermit]

He hasn't made a good movie since Annie Hall

...your taste in film is not the same as that of everyone else...

No fucking kidding. Should we preface all our posts with "In my opinion" in order to escape your ire?

In my opinion most of Woody Allen's films get tedious very quickly because of their navel-gazing nature. I am at a loss to explain how such a huge and self-indulgent ego can possibly have been fitted in such a slight frame. I don't avoid his films because of the allegations made against him. I avoid them because they bore me. There's just too much "I'm Woody Allen. Look at meeeee" in them.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

He hasn't made a good movie since Annie Hall

...your taste in film is not the same as that of everyone else...

No fucking kidding. Should we preface all our posts with "In my opinion" in order to escape your ire?

In my opinion most of Woody Allen's films get tedious very quickly because of their navel-gazing nature. I am at a loss to explain how such a huge and self-indulgent ego can possibly have been fitted in such a slight frame. I don't avoid his films because of the allegations made against him. I avoid them because they bore me. There's just too much "I'm Woody Allen. Look at meeeee" in them.

Which is a perfectly valid and reasoned opinion that I happen not to share. Dave's statement completely sidestepped his own attitude towards the films and went straight for an (allegedly) objective value judgment. It was that that I objected to - not whether or not he liked the films.

In other news, cabbage tastes foul however it is cooked and should never be eaten by anyone.

[Hermit]

In other news, cabbage tastes foul however it is cooked and should never be eaten by anyone.

No problem. I'm sure most people will see that statement as no more than your opinion on the matter. You don't have to say so. We don't have many members who claim that what they are expressing are objective facts rather than mere opinion... in my opinion.

[mistermack]

Woody Allen's films are shite.

Fact !