Everyone Moving To Colorado Very Slowly?

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Everyone Moving To Colorado Very Slowly?

Post by cronus » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:15 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25566863

Cannabis goes on legal sale in US state of Colorado

The US state of Colorado is making history by becoming the first to allow stores to sell cannabis.

As many as 30 stores around the state are expected to start selling the drug for recreational purposes from 1 January, dubbed Green Wednesday.

Colorado, along with Washington state, voted to legalise the use and possession of cannabis for people over the age of 21 in November 2012.

Washington is not expected to allow the sale of it until later in 2014.

Colorado and Washington are among 20 states to have approved marijuana use for medical purposes. The drug is still illegal under federal law.

'Who knows?'
Store owners had stocked up, prepared celebrations and hired extra security in preparation for their opening on Green Wednesday.

But one manager admitted he had no idea what to expect.

"It could be crazy. Or it could be crickets out there. Who knows? No-one's ever done this before," said Robin Hackett of BotanaCare in the Denver suburb of Northgleen.

Under the new law, cannabis will be sold like alcohol. Residents will be able to buy up to one ounce, while those from out of the state can purchase up to a quarter of an ounce.

Cannabis can only be smoked on private premises, with the permission of the owners.

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Post by Svartalf » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:10 pm

It's gonna be fun when the next Republican president unleashes the DEA on the state...
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Post by mistermack » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:12 am

Svartalf wrote:It's gonna be fun when the next Republican president unleashes the DEA on the state...
Yeh. I don't get it. It's still illegal under federal law, but legal to sell it under state law?

Do they both apply, or neither? Do the police just do whatever they feel like? Or the courts?
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Post by JimC » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:28 am

mistermack wrote:
Svartalf wrote:It's gonna be fun when the next Republican president unleashes the DEA on the state...
Yeh. I don't get it. It's still illegal under federal law, but legal to sell it under state law?

Do they both apply, or neither? Do the police just do whatever they feel like? Or the courts?
Simples.

Yanks have a crazy system.

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Post by Seth » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:50 am

Svartalf wrote:It's gonna be fun when the next Republican president unleashes the DEA on the state...
I don't think it'll happen. I think it's going to go the other way pretty quickly. Washington state goes legal in the spring, and there are several other states planning referenda on legalization. There are constitutional issues at stake here, significant ones, and the danger for the feds is that if they try to hammer the states that have legalized pot they run the risk of triggering a Constitutional Convention (not to mention electoral losses for the party that tries it) of the States that can constrain Congress in more ways than just pot. There's already plenty of pot-stirring going on in re a Constitutional Convention when it comes to gay marriage and guns. Adding pot to the pot could be the bud that breaks the camel's back.

There aren't many things I can laud the Obama administration for, but calling off the DEA dogs when it comes to state-legal pot is one. It was never justifiably or legitimately a federal concern in the first place after all.
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Post by Seth » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:01 am

mistermack wrote:
Svartalf wrote:It's gonna be fun when the next Republican president unleashes the DEA on the state...
Yeh. I don't get it. It's still illegal under federal law, but legal to sell it under state law?

Do they both apply, or neither? Do the police just do whatever they feel like? Or the courts?
It is, as of today, legal to possess 1 ounce of pot for residents and 1/4 ounce for non-residents. It's illegal to smoke it in public and the definition of "public" is still being worked out in various communities, which can either allow or ban retail pot sales. Production and sales are closely regulated, including RFID chips on EVERY commercial plant with "seed to sale" tracking required.

For now it's an all-cash business, which concerns law enforcement and dealers, because federal law prohibits banks from accepting as customers those involved in illegal acts, specifically including drug dealing. Yes, it's still illegal under federal law, but Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder have decided not to interfere with state-sanctioned pot sales so long as several conditions are met, which includes preventing export of pot from Colorado, keeping it away from kids, and extraordinarily careful record keeping. But the feds have said that they reserve the right to intervene if things get out of control.

One other little problem is with security at pot shops, which have to have cameras and alarms, but cannot have armed guards because of the federal ban on guns and drugs. This produces a substantial risk of robbery and violence near pot shops because shop owners cannot hire armed security and they cannot deposit the cash in the bank, so pot shops become targets for robbers. I hope they will find a way to change this, and there are efforts to pass laws in Washington DC to allow banks to take pot shops as customers.

It's all very new and the kinks are being worked out minute by minute.

Interestingly, the news tonight said that at a couple of the biggest pot shops that are now open, the majority of people buying are from out of state. They interviewed a couple of guys who drove all the way from Georgia and camped out on the doorstep to be among the first to buy pot legally.

Personally, I don't use pot, but it should have never been made illegal in the first place and I'm glad Colorado has taken the courageous step of making it legal first.

If it even puts a dent in the 10 billion dollar a year "war on some drugs" that costs the lives of about 150 innocent citizens every year from botched SWAT raids it'll be worth it.
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Interesting stuff!
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Post by Seth » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:49 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Interesting stuff!
Interesting times....in a Chinese sort of way...
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Post by laklak » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:52 am

We're taking a long road trip sometime this summer, Colorado is definitely on the route map and we'll be looking at property. Don't like some of the new gun laws but they have concealed carry reciprocity with Florida, and I can live with 15 round magazines.
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Post by FBM » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:59 am

I was planning to move to Montana one day and raise dental floss, but now it's looking more like Colorado, if Montana doesn't shape up.
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Post by Seth » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:46 pm

laklak wrote:We're taking a long road trip sometime this summer, Colorado is definitely on the route map and we'll be looking at property. Don't like some of the new gun laws but they have concealed carry reciprocity with Florida, and I can live with 15 round magazines.
The cool thing about the law, if there is anything cool about it, is that it "grandfathers" all large-capacity magazines one owned prior to the law being enacted in July of last year. Since I have perhaps hundreds of magazines, and at least six mags for every magazine-fed firearm I own it's not going to be a problem for me.

Moreover, there is no way for the gummint to determine if you owned a magazine prior to enactment or not so long as (if it's so marked) the date of manufacture is prior to the law, and there are probably a billion (literally) "high capacity" mags in circulation manufactured prior to July 2013. I personally know a guy who has thousands upon thousands of brand-new, in the bag, late-model modified anti-tilt follower GI AR mags in sealed crates purchased courtesy of the United States government really, really cheap (like less than a dollar a magazine). He could easily outfit an entire battalion of soldiers and every one of them is perfectly legal for him to own...and if he gave or sold them to someone else in Colorado there is no way (short of a rat) the government would ever know or find out.

Add to that the fact that 61 of 63 county Sheriff's in Colorado have openly refused to enforce the magazine law.

All the "ban" did was to take hi-cap mags out of retail stores, but anyone that wants one, or a hundred, need only go to a gun show in Wyoming, New Mexico, Kansas or Utah and buy as many pre-ban mags as they want and bring them home. Since law enforcement is explicitly forbidden to seize or search for evidence that a magazine was acquired after the ban, it's just a feel-good liberal sham that is entirely unenforceable and is currently under judicial review thanks to several lawsuits filed the day the law was passed.

So bring your hi-cap mags if you like, just make sure you don't bring any manufactured after July 2013.
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Post by laklak » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:05 pm

I've got my North Carolina place on the market, I'm hoping it sells in the spring (though apparently fall is the best selling season). We're in a bit of a quandary with what to do with the dosh, not that it's going to be that much, maybe $250K. Now, for that kind of money I can get a pretty nice place on 30 acres or so up in the Appalachians, or a beach house on Dog Island. Don't know what I can find up there, and it is a long way away.
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Post by piscator » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:25 pm

Dick Nixon might have a problem with your gun-toting vacation plans, laklak...

...As attorneys Todd Garvey and Brian Yeh wrote in the report, Washington has flexibility regarding drug prosecution, stating, “The extent to which federal authorities will actually seek to prosecute individuals who are engaged in marijuana-related activities in Colorado and Washington remains uncertain. President Obama himself has suggested the prosecuting simple possession is not a priority, while the Department of Justice has said only that ‘growing, selling or possession any amount of marijuana remains illegal under federal law.’”

What is more certain, they wrote, is that federal firearms regulators will be aggressive about banning anyone who uses marijuana from buying – or possessing – a weapon.

“With the legalization of marijuana for recreational purposes in Colorado and Washington, it seems likely the ATF will … consider a recreational user of marijuana to be a prohibited possessor of firearms regardless of whether the use is lawful under state provisions,” they wrote.

The attorneys said the ATF specifically has stated, “any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his or her state has passed legislation authorizing marijuana use for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance, and is prohibited by federal law from possessing firearms or ammunition.”

They further wrote, “These individuals are to answer ‘yes’ when asked on the firearms transfer form if they are unlawful users of a controlled substance.”

Answering falsely, of course, is also a felony.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:03 am

How ridiculous is that? They should be FAR more concerned about alcohol and guns than dope and guns.
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